Making ethanol from corn is the least efficient use of farmland

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc you need to look at the countries and regions where renewable electricity is having a big impact including Alberta, Canada, the UK, and Denmark. Hydro is considered renewable. But your own oil rich province is making great investments in wind and solar. Shocking isn't it?

Obviously the Alberta businesses involved must be bad at math and economics otherwise they wouldn't invest right! LOL

[WiltonRanch]

Hamloc you need to look at the countries and regions where renewable electricity is having a big impact including Alberta, Canada, the UK, and Denmark. Hydro is considered renewable. But your own oil rich province is making great investments in wind and solar. Shocking isn't it?

Obviously the businesses involved must be bad at math and economics otherwise they wouldn't invest right! LOL

Do you own an electric car?

[chuckChuck]

Do you own an electric car?

Nope not yet. Prices will come down and choices will go up. Might go for the F150

There are some videos on you tube from EV owners in Canada. In one the Saskatoon Tesla owner prewarmed the cabin while plugged in from minus 29C outside to a balmy 20 C inside in about 6 minutes. No need to warm up the engine to warm the cabin. And with electricity costing much less than gasoline it will soon be normal to drive an EV.

[WiltonRanch]

Nope not yet. Prices will come down and choices will go up. Might go for the F150

There are some videos on you tube from EV owners in Canada. In one the Saskatoon Tesla owner prewarmed the cabin while plugged in from minus 29C outside to a balmy 20 C inside in about 6 minutes. No need to warm up the engine to warm the cabin. And with electricity costing much less than gasoline it will soon be normal to drive an EV.

That’s good.

[Chief]

So we should lower our standards to those equivalent of the worst just to compete?

We have a lot of the resources and materials needed in Canada and the mining industry will want to take advantage of all those opportunities.

Of course they want less regulation because it increases their profit. That's a given.

So we are not going to lower our standards but it is ok to buy green products from countries with low standards. I don’t know how we are supposed to square that circle.

I think we should refuse to buy their products until they match our standards.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So we are not going to lower our standards but it is ok to buy green products from countries with low standards. I don’t know how we are supposed to square that circle.

I think we should refuse to buy their products until they match our standards.

Judging by Chuck's response, apparently if we pollute the water, air, soil, food, wildlife etc in China or Congo that pollution stays there and doesn't affect us. And the lives and safety, health and we'll being of their workers and slave laborers are not worth as much as the lives of a union due paying NDP voting Canadian.

Pollution and poor working conditions are only a problem if they occur in the first world.

Otherwise, Their citizens are disposable so long as they are being sacrificed for the greater good of our Western elites being able to virtue signal about saving the environment .

[Hamloc]

Hamloc you need to look at the countries and regions where renewable electricity is having a big impact including Alberta, Canada, the UK, and Denmark. Hydro is considered renewable. But your own oil rich province is making great investments in wind and solar. Shocking isn't it?

Obviously the Alberta businesses involved must be bad at math and economics otherwise they wouldn't invest right! LOL

More numbers from Bjorn Lomborg.

Most optomistic scenario, short commutes with electric vehicles with European made batteries(as opposed to Chinese made which have a higher carbon footprint)reduces passenger vehicle emissions by 10 tonnes of C02 over the lifetime of the vehicle. In Norway each electric vehicles receives $26000 USD in subsidies over the lifetime of the vehicle, so $2600 per tonne of C02. In the U.S. if Biden restores the full electric car tax credit, $7500 USD, each tonne removed would cost $750. If the whole world follows through and gets to 140 million electric cars by 2030, the IEA estimates that this will reduce emissions by 190 million tonnes of C02, a mere .4 percent of global emissions!

There is a simpler solution according to the IEA, hybrid cars, such as a Toyota Prius. Save about the same amount of C02 over the lifetime of the vehicle and they are already price competitive with ICE vehicles therefore not requiring the massive government subsidies, but that would make too much sense.

[WiltonRanch]

EV in the city commuter setting is the best fit. Smog problems and such air quality issues can justify them there. Take a step back from the co2 boogyman for a minute. What if we think more along lines of energy conservation instead. All energy has a cost to acquire and deliver. Make better use of it and you use less. Bitcoin mining uses ridiculous amounts of electricity for what? Low emissions Diesel engines with all that def bs and such use less fuel for power produced when you delete the emissions stuff. Wouldn’t you emphasize building engines which burn fuel the most efficiently and then clean them up after that? I’m no scientist but chasing after reducing co2 seems like we’re chasing after one cow while you let the rest scatter into the bush.

[chuckChuck]

Judging by Chuck's response, apparently if we pollute the water, air, soil, food, wildlife etc in China or Congo that pollution stays there and doesn't affect us. And the lives and safety, health and we'll being of their workers and slave laborers are not worth as much as the lives of a union due paying NDP voting Canadian.

Pollution and poor working conditions are only a problem if they occur in the first world.

Otherwise, Their citizens are disposable so long as they are being sacrificed for the greater good of our Western elites being able to virtue signal about saving the environment .

A5, Nobody is buying your sudden conversion to concern about the environment and social justice issues as a reason to oppose the adoption of EVs and renewable electricity.

Conservatives have been opposed to many measures to strengthen environmental regulations both domestically and internationally and conveniently ignore them for the other industries they support. And then you have the gall to bring them up over the transition to low carbon energy sources and green tech?

For example when David Schindler raised concern about the issue of water pollution from the tar sands and the impact on water supplies and water quality from climate change you said nothing.

Labour and environmental issues have long been an issue in the developing world well before the advent of the move to low carbon energy sources. A5 Show us your record of standing up for the poor and exploited of the world.

Or is this going to be like your record on providing credible scientific evidence to back up your way out there opinions that never shows up? LOL

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Sometimes reality bites ...

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hamloc you need to look at the countries and regions where renewable electricity is having a big impact including Alberta, Canada, the UK, and Denmark. Hydro is considered renewable. But your own oil rich province is making great investments in wind and solar. Shocking isn't it?

Obviously the Alberta businesses involved must be bad at math and economics otherwise they wouldn't invest right! LOL

Please refer to shtfrbrains post making fun of your only arguement in favour of renewables:

I don't understand your arguments here Chuck?
Why would these companies build all these plants if it wasn't the right thing to do?
Would Scott Moe or Jason Kenny approve them if they wern't good for everyone.
Fuel from food crops is good for the environment.
California is going to have most Fosil Fuels eliminated buy 2030.
They can't be wrong. It's all been studied or they wouldn't be doing it.

Those 2030 and 2050 targets must be met or we all melt.
We all have to do our part.
You shouldn't be questioning the mandates.
They have been approved.

Don't be trying to make logical arguments. Your not an environmental scientist.

Do you just really enjoy being a hypocrit, or is just a prerequisite for the job?

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/article-lg-energy-solution-to-set-up-ev-battery-joint-venture-with-stellantis/

LG Energy Solution to set up EV battery joint venture with Stellantis in Canada

Heekyong Yang and Joyce Lee
Seoul
Reuters
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South Korean battery giant LG Energy Solution Ltd (LGES) said on Wednesday it plans to invest $1.5-billion to set up a joint venture with Stellantis NV STLA-N +1.17%increase
in Canada.

LGES owns 51 per cent of the joint venture, tentatively named “LGES-STLA JV” and Stellantis owns 49 per cent, LGES said in a regulatory filing.

In October, LGES and Stellantis NV struck an electric vehicle (EV) battery production joint venture, targeting to start production by the first quarter of 2024 and aiming to have an annual production capacity of 40 gigawatt hours of batteries.

In a separate regulatory filing, LGES said it plans to acquire a stake worth $542-million in ES America to respond to demand from EV startups in the United States.

LGES is considering building a factory in Arizona to meet demand in the United States, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters, adding that the plant is expected to primarily produce cylindrical battery cells. LGES has its own factory in Michigan and two battery joint ventures with General Motors Co in Ohio and Tennessee.

“We are considering a new production site, but nothing has been decided yet,” said a spokesperson at LGES.

LGES, which counts Tesla Inc, GM and Volkswagen AG among its customers, currently has battery production sites in the United States, China, Poland, Indonesia and South Korea.

[chuckChuck]

LG Energy Solution to set up EV battery joint venture with Stellantis in Canada

Apparently the biggest single auto industry investment in Canada's history.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Nope not yet. Prices will come down and choices will go up.

How can you ignore all reality, and our previous conversation and just degrade back to your false claims.that prices will get cheaper? Lithium is up 500% in the last year. Tesla is increasing prices. Shortages of all components and materials. Every other material and labour and freight involved with the EV is going up. Electricity prices are going up, the free ride on road tax costs are coming to an end, the tax incentives are running out. There is no breakthrough technology to make the EV cost competitive.

In fact, using the excuse that you are waiting for prices to come down in the middle of rampant inflation and all of the factors listed above, it's probably one of the smartest strategies you have taken. You can use that excuse for a long time to come

[chuckChuck]

But high oil prices don't cause inflation? LOL

Yes inflation, energy shortages and material shortages will affect everyone and everything. But unless you have a crystal ball you wont be able to predict the future any better than I.

As an Albertan should know that commodities like oil in the last decades went from covid lows to war highs in the matter of months based on supply and demand.

Good luck predicting what will happen in the next few months, let alone years and decades.

But one thing we know is there is a worldwide effort to reduce carbon emissions and electric vehicles will be part of the change.