Making ethanol from corn is the least efficient use of farmland

[WiltonRanch]

That's an impossible and irrelevant question to answer because it's never going to happen.

OPEC manages supply and prices within a range of pricing that keeps consumers buying and economies growing.

Most oil supplies in the world are state controlled.

Canada's impact on world prices is relatively insignificant.

Energy price shocks because of war and disruption are driving energy security concerns and innovation as we move to a low carbon emission economy.

Wonder why Canada with the third largest proven oil reserves is not a factor?

[furrowtickler]

Hamloc you need to look at the countries and regions where renewable electricity is having a big impact including Alberta, Canada, the UK, and Denmark. Hydro is considered renewable. But your own oil rich province is making great investments in wind and solar. Shocking isn't it?

Obviously the Alberta businesses involved must be bad at math and economics otherwise they wouldn't invest right! LOL

Well I guess once you go renewable electricity like Denmark all is good .
I wonder what it costs to charge an EV there ?
The same will happen here .
Like when the carbon tax first came out … don’t worry it’s just a little bit … till we get to $170
Same will happen with electricity, once they convince / force the masses then crank er up so they become almost unaffordable. But hey it’s all about building back better then the budget will balance itself.

[chuckChuck]

But Moe wants to invest in the nuclear option which is one of the most expensive options, when next door Manitoba has a surplus of hydro that could provide a very stable source of electricity imports.

At an estimated $5 billion each SMRs are not close to ready and likely to cost $10 billion by the time Saskatchewan has one installed. $10 billion will build a lot of power lines to Manitoba hydro.

And in Alberta farmers pay significantly more for electricity than does Saskatchewan and Manitoba farmers.

By the look of the charts electricity in Alberta is more expensive than some of the European countries in the list. This all in the land of excess fossil fuels?

60 % of Canada's electricity is already from hydro which is some of the cheapest in North America. Wind and solar along with innovative storage and an upgraded and improved smart grid hooked into Manitoba hydro would be a smarter investment.

But Moe wants to choose the SMRs built in Ontario which won't be in place untill some time in the next 15 - 20 years?

[Landdownunder]

We are the solar capital of the world our state. We have to pay to put excess electricity back in the grid.

Cheaper states basically coal.

Tis what it is just giving you real world figures here.

Charges etc on top.

Solar systems increasing monthly it seems.

Line ball for some.

I’m ok in my tent and bonfire for light and warmth.

Edit and wind power big here as well

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We are the solar capital of the world our state. We have to pay to put excess electricity back in the grid.

What have I been telling Chuck all along?
That solar power, when the sun is shining, above a certain ( very low) penetration, is less than worthless.

[Guest]

Well now that is interesting!
I never thought about that
Can solar panels be shut off ?
Or does that excess power have to be sent somewhere ??

[Landdownunder]

What have I been telling Chuck all along?
That solar power, when the sun is shining, above a certain ( very low) penetration, is less than worthless.

It’s why you have to go to battery nowadays.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It’s why you have to go to battery nowadays.

Except, as we have been discussing regularly, there is no cost effective, scalable battery technology, and it is only getting worse, as battery costs keep increasing. Last peer reviewed study I saw indicated that battery technology has to get cheaper by 10 times before it will be a viable alternative for existing fossil fuel generation.

[chuckChuck]

Its interesting to see that parts of Australia and Alberta are paying about the same for electricity.

Batteries aren't the only storage system option. There is pumped hydro, compressed air, and lifted weight storage.

So the problem is we have too much energy at times and not enough at other times and there will never be a way to manage this?

So an interconnected smart grid system that uses hydro and and maybe nuclear baseload along with solar, wind, and wave will never work?

The coming EV revolution and increased electricity demand will most certainly allow for a lot of excess solar to be stored in EV batteries for transportation.

If I ever had to pay to out excess solar power into the grid I would just find a way to use that excess power. It could be used to heat or cool water which could be used to heat or cool a building depending on the season.

[TSIPP]

It’s why you have to go to battery nowadays.

Coal is a battery, it was solar energy made millions of years ago and is in battery form now.

[chuckChuck]

Will coal drive your cordless impact wrench or phone?

[Hamloc]

Its interesting to see that parts of Australia and Alberta are paying about the same for electricity.

Batteries aren't the only storage system option. There is pumped hydro, compressed air, and lifted weight storage.

So the problem is we have too much energy at times and not enough at other times and there will never be a way to manage this?

So an interconnected smart grid system that uses hydro and and maybe nuclear baseload along with solar, wind, and wave will never work?

The coming EV revolution and increased electricity demand will most certainly allow for a lot of excess solar to be stored in EV batteries for transportation.



If I ever had to pay to out excess solar power into the grid I would just find a way to use that excess power. It could be used to heat or cool water which could be used to heat or cool a building depending on the season.

Yes Chuck2 in Alberta we would pay rates similar to Queensland and Victoria, the 2 lowest prices posted.

As for your assertion that excess energy could be stored in EV’s. Most people travel to work during the day. So will every vehicle need to have access to an electric charger at work during the day for this to work?
I still think your argument that people reduce the useful lifespan of their EV by being expected to absorb excess solar energy and then put it back in the grid at night makes no sense. How will they be reimbursed for this shortened battery life?