Tam says the federal government is 'examining' all vaccine mandates

[jazz]

Anyone with a brain knew 5 months ago the vaccines were useless and dangerous, yet it took our govt that long to address these mandates.

Looks like the truckers are going to score a big delayed win. All provincial and federal mandates gonzo. But have to make it look like the govt decided it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tam-federal-vaccine-mandates-under-review-1.6389844

Now the question remains, what will the 8M unvaxxed and 2M single shotters think about all this come next election.

[sumdumguy]

Those mandates and wiggle codes were meant to do nothing more than punish the fringe minority for refusing the experimental garbage jab.

[twocentsworth]

Anyone with a brain knew 5 months ago the vaccines were useless and dangerous, yet it took our govt that long to address these mandates.

Thanks for the post Jazz, it was excellent timing.Why you ask? A friend of mine who just had some surgery a little over a week ago, was given a 2 prescriptions for antibiotics. He did not have his vaccines, and thinks along the same lines as you, which is totally up to him. I just showed him your post, and told him that if he considers the vaccine dangerous like you say it is, then he better read the side affects his prescriptions. It is unbelievable the list of affects that they may cause. Im thinking much more dangerous than the vaccines.Told him to throw them in the garbage and risk getting the infections. Funny thing, he is going to take them. Hm.
As far as useless, you think what you want, but they have saved many of lives, vs the odd side affects. Just my two cents worth.

[6V53]

It's a ploy. W.H.O is going to take over your medicare.

[6V53]

Thanks for the post Jazz, it was excellent timing.Why you ask? A friend of mine who just had some surgery a little over a week ago, was given a 2 prescriptions for antibiotics. He did not have his vaccines, and thinks along the same lines as you, which is totally up to him. I just showed him your post, and told him that if he considers the vaccine dangerous like you say it is, then he better read the side affects his prescriptions. It is unbelievable the list of affects that they may cause. Im thinking much more dangerous than the vaccines.Told him to throw them in the garbage and risk getting the infections. Funny thing, he is going to take them. Hm.
As far as useless, you think what you want, but they have saved many of lives, vs the odd side affects. Just my two cents worth.

Well at least you're friend has the choice to take or not take the antibiotics. Not so much with the jab. I'm hearing of lots of people getting heart problems.

[TSIPP]

Did those antibiotics come with 36 page book of side affects?

[twocentsworth]

Did those antibiotics come with 36 page book of side affects?

Show me a qualified list of the vaccines side affects, and i will take the time to show you the long list of side affects from his. I do know the one among the usual nausea and diarrhea, dizziness, which most are, was also signs of kidney, and liver problems, fast and irregular heart beat, tear/break in aorta. CIPROFLOAXIN is the one. Look it up.

[TSIPP]

Ciprofloxacin is a pretty serious antibiotic, I was on it once and had some stomach, intestinal issues, the doctor should have prescribed some probiotics with and after the antibiotics are done.

There’s a reason 30 thousand and up to 60 thousand people in Canada die every year from medical malpractice.

I’m glad your friend didn’t listen to your medical advice and throw the antibiotics in the garbage like you suggested, he probably really needs that antibiotic!

Anyway it sounds like you’re an expert on side effects and sharing any information would likely be lost on you anyway.

[TSIPP]

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

This right from Pfizer, I know you wanted a reputable article from a reputable company but this is the best I could come up with, I know if I tried harder I could do better.

[twocentsworth]

I’m glad your friend didn’t listen to your medical advice and throw the antibiotics in the garbage like you suggested, he probably really needs that antibiotic!

I guess you missed the sarcasm. My point to him was if he thought these side affects of vaccines were dangerous, then any drug has side affects also. Are you medically expertise enough to outguess the health experts and doctors? Yes they can also make mistakes, but be careful who you decide to pick to listen to for your health.

[TSIPP]

My old doctor says not to indulge in the clot shot. But how would any doctor know how a new experimental shot would react to anyone and does anyone know what the long term side affects are?

[chuckChuck]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2022/01/24/even-mild-covid-19-can-cause-brain-dysfunction-and-cognitive-issues/?sh=13802ce75d25

Even Mild Covid-19 Can Cause Brain Dysfunction And Cognitive Issues

Many people with long Covid report neurological symptoms. A new study has uncovered potential clues .

Damage to brain cells and cognitive dysfunction can occur even with “mild” cases of Covid-19, according to a new study. The paper which has been uploaded on preprint server bioRxiv, but has not yet undergone peer review, presents new concerning information about the effect of Covid-19 infection on the brain.

“As soon as the pandemic hit, I thought; oh no, this is going to be bad for neurological health,” said Michelle Monje, MD, PhD, Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences at Stanford University in California. “Then the reports started coming out from places like New York City of people who still weren’t back to themselves cognitively by summer 2020 and I thought we had better study this,” said Monje.

Monje teamed up with Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, Professor of Immunobiology at Yale Medicine in Connecticut. Together they led a project conducting experiments using mice specifically designed so that they were infected only in the lungs with the original SARS-CoV-2 variant. This allowed the researchers to investigate how the virus might affect people who have had mild Covid-19, where the virus has not directly infiltrated the brain.

The mice showed no indication that they were sick, but despite this, the researchers found that the infection sparked the production of pro-inflammatory proteins called chemokines and cytokines in both the blood and central nervous system. Strikingly, these inflammatory proteins remained elevated until the end of the study, seven weeks after the mice were infected with SARS-CoV2.

“I didn’t expect to still see elevated levels of these cytokines [in the mice] at the seven week time point,” said Iwasaki. One of these proteins found at high levels, CCL11, has previously been linked to cognitive issues. The researchers looked at samples from people experiencing long Covid and found CCL11 levels to be elevated in those experiencing cognitive symptoms, but not in people without cognitive symptoms.

Further analyzing their results, the scientists found that these inflammatory proteins set off an immune cascade, causing brain cells called microglia to become inflamed. As well as this, in the brains of the mice they found loss of other types of brain cells, including those responsible for producing myelin, the insulation which covers nerves, allowing signals to be transmitted seamlessly.

“Microglia are the resident immune cells of the brain. They are the brain’s first line of defense against infection, but they also have many important roles in the healthy brain too,” said Monje, explaining that microglia form complex interactions with other types of brain cells and play key roles in “keeping nerve cells connected properly.” But when microglia change and become inflamed, they can have negative effects on the brain, making cytokines that can impair the function of other brain cells or stimulating other brain cells to actually be toxic to cells such as those which produce myelin, damaging and killing them.

To further investigate this in humans, the researchers looked at brain samples from people who had died suddenly for a variety of reasons early on in the pandemic and were found to be Covid-19 positive from autopsy samples taken after death. They found the microglia cells were reactive in the same pattern they had found in the mice.

“When this inflammatory state happens the goal is not to get rid of microglial cells, since they are incredibly important and needed for healthy brain function, but to reset them to a state where they are behaving normally,” said Monje.

Monje has also found microglia to be dysregulated in people with cancer who report a range of cognitive symptoms often collectively termed as “chemobrain.” In 2019, she published work which showed that a common chemotherapy drug called methotrexate could directly impact the microglia and result in a cascade of negative effects on the brain.

A video explaining how chemotherapy likely causes cognitive issues in the brains of some people who have undergone cancer treatment. Monje says there are many parallels between this and how SARS-CoV2 may cause cognitive issues in the brains of people with long Covid.

When people began reporting cognitive long Covid symptoms, Monje immediately saw similarities with what she had seen in patients with cancer. This may not sound positive, but for those who are experiencing long-term neurological symptoms after mild Covid-19 infection, there may be a silver lining.

“What's really promising is that nothing we showed in this paper is irreversible. And now the challenge is to understand how to reverse these negative effects,” said Monje, Therapies already under investigation for ‘chemobrain’ may also work for people with cognitive symptoms of long Covid, although further studies are needed to evaluate this.

It is also important to note that the study was done with the original SARS-CoV-2 virus, so newer variants may affect the brain differently. Monje also stresses that more severe Covid-19 can result in significant and sometimes irreversible brain damage via a number of additional routes which the study did not look at, such as stroke. The study also cannot predict what might happen in the future as a result of Covid-19 infection.

“We don't know how SARS-CoV-2 infection, and the consequent inflammatory changes that can then happen in the brain may affect susceptibility to diseases later on in life, or to the ability of the brain to respond to further insults such as second infections or injury,” said Monje.

The new study is not the only one to have focused on the neurological side effects of the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus, with a new paper published this week listing an alarming collection of neurological symptoms associated with long Covid. But, is it normal for respiratory viruses to cause these cognitive problems? And are we just noticing it with Covid-19 due to the sheer number of people infected over a short timescale?

“Because coronaviruses weren’t previously being studied to this extent, we don't have that comparison. We're currently trying to do experiments on other respiratory viruses to compare whether they have similar elevated levels of cytokines and chemokines after infection,” said Iwasaki. “Normally, when we do influenza virus infection in mice, there are acute cytokines released but then later on, we don't see prolonged elevation of circulating cytokines as we did with the mice infected with SARS-CoV-2,” she added.

The number of people with long Covid and those with cognitive symptoms is hard to pinpoint partly due to the lack of definitive diagnoses for the condition and the current general lack of healthcare support for people with long Covid. How common are cognitive symptoms among people with long Covid?

“Extraordinarily common,” said Diana Zicklin Berrent, founder of Survivor Corps, a non-profit organization set up to support people with long Covid and to advocate for research into the condition. “Some people have severe cognitive symptoms even from the most mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 case. We have so many members who had mild cases, and it's been a year and they can't go back to work,” said Berrent.

Last week, news came out about a study which provides new evidence linking the development of multiple sclerosis (MS) to infection with the Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), a common virus which almost 9 out of 10 people in the world are thought to have been exposed to at some point in their lives. Other immune conditions are also thought to be potentially linked to infectious diseases, so could the study of long Covid propel us into a new era of finding out the immune triggers that underlie other debilitating health conditions?

“Yes, I think we're only scratching the surface now with the link between viruses and diseases. The EBV/MS connection has been speculated for a long time and now that new paper solidifies that link,” said Iwasaki. “The more we study the link between the virus and the disease, like with long Covid, we are hoping to inform better therapy for ME/CFS and other pathogen-related long-term conditions,” she added.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

From Chuck's article:
“As soon as the pandemic hit, I thought; oh no, this is going to be bad for neurological health,” said Michelle Monje
Does that strike anyone else as a very unscientific statement?
Why would she think that at the very beginning, before there is any indication or evidence?
Using the statement "this is going to be bad", as opposed to theorizing and asking the question if there could be consequences, sounds a lot like having a predetermined conclusion then creating a study to prove that conclusion.
Completely opposite to the scientific method

[chuckChuck]

That's why the science will face peer review and other studies will over time look at this same question to confirm or not confirm the conclusions.

Michelle Monje, MD, PhD, Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences at Stanford University seems more than qualified to make the statement that covid inflammation is likely going to cause neurological issues.

Unlike your personal amateur arm chair opinions which are usually wrong right from the start, Monje went on to do the science to understand whether her assumption was correct or not correct.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That's why the science will face peer review and other studies will over time look at this same question to confirm or not confirm the conclusions.

Michelle Monje, MD, PhD, Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences at Stanford University seems more than qualified to make the statement that covid inflammation is likely going to cause neurological issues.

Unlike your personal amateur arm chair opinions which are usually wrong right from the start, Monje went on to do the science to understand whether her assumption was correct or not correct.

Except that isn't what she said. She stated in the affirmative:. oh no, this is going to be bad . The word likely does not exist in that statement. So, now you are putting words into the mouth of a professor of neurology, because you know better than she does.
This idea of abusing science to legitimize a predetermined outcome sounds like something straight out of climate " science", not actual medical science.