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    #25
    Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    By what measure did things improve rapidly?

    I just looked at the stats. In canada, cases got worse after vaccines were introduced, hospitalizations went up, ICU cases peaked at about the same levels as before, deaths peaked at the same levels as before, mandates and closures and restrictions were not removed. Covid threads on agriville didn't decline.
    What other measures are you using to see things improved?
    Vaccinated people are at much less risk of hospitalization and death compared to the unvaccinated. That's how much the vaccines improved outcomes.

    Figure 5.
    Distribution of confirmed COVID-19 cases reported to PHAC by vaccination status as of March 27, 2022
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    Last edited by chuckChuck; Apr 14, 2022, 14:37.

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      #26
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Vaccinated people are at much less risk of hospitalization and death compared to the unvaccinated. That's how much the vaccines improved outcomes.

      Figure 5.
      Distribution of confirmed COVID-19 cases reported to PHAC by vaccination status as of March 27, 2022
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      https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html
      Why do you insist on making the same mistakes over and over, we have been trying to help you with this all along. You just recently posted this same misinformation. You've included data from before vaccines were even available, that tells you nothing about a trend that occurred after vaccines became available. You just discredited yourself with this a few days ago.
      If you go to the same website, you can find the information on a day-by-day trend. And it shows the trends I indicated above.

      This is the equivalent of claiming that smart phones save lives because statistically if you lump all of the people ever born in the history of mankind into one statistic, you will find the people who never owned a smart phone are almost all dead now, while most of the people who own a cell phone are still alive. Never mind the fact that they have only existed for a few years.
      Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Apr 14, 2022, 20:17.

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          #28
          Originally posted by cropgrower View Post
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          Had a look. From the Covid Ontario site. Death rates among vaxxed and triple vaxxed are surpassing unvaxxed. And cases? Cases of triple vaxed ad fully vaxxed are blowing unvaxxed out of the water. That is exactly as I said a month ago or so about what I see around here. Double vaxxed and triple vaxxed getting Covid rampantly. Unvaxxed seem to be immune for the most part.

          Vax fail in the first degree. There needs to be some accountability for this collosal farce of a failure.

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            #29
            still thankfull to be one of the small fringe minority that dont believe in science ! i guss chuck will be on again in the morning with more numbers from 2020 😂😂

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              #30
              The vaccines are less effective against the Omicron and variants because they have become highly transmissible. But they are still effective and with a booster, very effective at preventing hospitalization and severe outcomes.

              So anyone who is still saying that vaccines are not or were not effective is full of shite!

              Just like the flu vaccines will be updated so will covid vaccines as the virus changes.

              http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/measuring-vaccination-impact-coverage

              Vaccine effectiveness results from B.C.
              Booster doses and effectiveness against Delta and Omicron: February 2022

              Updated estimates of vaccine effectiveness between September 2021 and February 2022 have been assessed when Delta and Omicron were the most common variants. This analysis compared the effectiveness in people who had received two doses of vaccine to those who had received a booster dose, including during the period when Delta dominated or Omicron dominated.

              For Delta: Two doses provided excellent protection up to eight months after the second dose, particularly against severe outcomes:
              Two doses prevented more than 90% of hospitalizations and more than 80% of infection.

              For Omicron: Two doses provided good protection against severe outcomes
              Two doses prevented about 65-75% of hospitalizations (reducing the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization by about two-thirds to three-quarters compared to unvaccinated people)
              Two doses were less effective against Omicron infection (less than 10-15% against any infection).


              Booster doses: increased protection against both Delta and Omicron
              Booster dose increased protection up to more than 95% against Delta infection or hospitalization.
              Booster dose increased protection up to more than 90% against hospitalization with Omicron and about 50-60% against Omicron infection.
              Last edited by chuckChuck; Apr 15, 2022, 07:39.

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                #31
                https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-variant-vaccine

                Do COVID-19 vaccines protect against the variants?

                By Mayo Clinic Staff

                March 4, 2022

                Key takeaways

                The delta (B.1.617.2) variant is nearly twice as contagious as earlier variants and might cause more severe illness. The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people. People who are fully vaccinated can get vaccine breakthrough infections and spread the virus to others. However, it appears that vaccinated people spread COVID-19 for a shorter period than do unvaccinated people. While research suggests that COVID-19 vaccines are slightly less effective against the delta variant, the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Janssen/Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines still appear to provide protection against severe COVID-19.

                The omicron (B.1.1.529) variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the delta variant. However, omicron appears to cause less severe disease. People who are fully vaccinated can get breakthrough infections and spread the virus to others. However, the COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness. This variant also reduces the effectiveness of some monoclonal antibody treatments.

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                  #32
                  55% of Canada has had covid now. 88% of the country is vaccinated. Thats some wonderful fake vaccine science working.

                  The vaccines never worked. They caused more covid than the original disease and a ton of adverse effects. In the Pfizer docs it cited 4% of the trial participants got covid from the vaccine.

                  Now do that math across a few billion doses.

                  Not to mention the suppression of your immune system for 2 weeks after the shots. Thats why people got the shot and then got covid 3 days later.

                  And now the bloody thing is reverse transcripted into the human genome.

                  https://twitter.com/irEnriqueCortes/status/1513970714101047296
                  Last edited by jazz; Apr 15, 2022, 08:15.

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                    #33
                    Just like Trump was going to win the election and covid was going to be gone right after? LOL
                    Last edited by chuckChuck; Apr 15, 2022, 10:21.

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                        #35
                        No vaccine- No Covid - Despite untold number of encounters. No thanx to vaccine.

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                          #36
                          Red voice media reports pilot died of post vaccination "severe cardiac arrest"! Amazing.

                          Good to know the Red Voice journalists are on the job and can tell the difference between a post vaccination cardiac arrest and just a regular cardiac arrest caused by heart disease.

                          The family must have provide the post mortem cause of death certificate because they wanted "red voice" to tell the truth. Better red than dead or is it better dead than red? Or was it misred or better not red? I think the latter applys.

                          Anyone else ever hear of red voice media? Sounds like a soviet era "news" organization. If you want the real news rely on red voice, the trusted name in antivax journalism.
                          Last edited by chuckChuck; Apr 16, 2022, 11:38.

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