Trump 'lit the flame,' Republican says as U.S. Capitol attack hearings open

[Hamloc]

[QUOTE=dmlfarmer;541898]No, Trudeau won his Papineau riding with 49.5% of the votes cast. It is only voters in Papineau who can vote for Trudeau. (Trudeau won 22,526 of 45,502 votes cast). The Liberal party won the most seats in the H of C - 160/338 seats or 47.3% of the seats. The Conservatives won the popular vote 5,747,410 (33.74%) compared to the Liberals 5,556,629 (32.62%) but only won 119 seats therefore resulting in a minority Liberal government. That is how democracy works in Canada and your 18% number is simply spin.

Actually Dml voter turnout according to Elections Canada was 62.5% in Canada’s 2021 general election of which 32.62% voted Liberal. Therefore 20.39% of Canada’s eligible voters voted Liberal. Jazz wasn’t too far off.

[chuckChuck]

Meanwhile in Canada right now …


As farmers , with the majority as our asset value in “property” some here still crying over Trump ?
Really ??

Yup Conservatives have been big supporters of the oil industry right to take over your property and force oil and gas wells on your land whether you wanted them or not.

And if you dare take them to arbitration over any issue, the pro oil review boards will hand the oil companies a win just about every time.

All supported by the pro property rights Conservative friends of the oil companies. LOL

Been like that for a long time.

Hypocrisy runs deep amongst some Conservatives

[furrowtickler]

Yup Conservatives have been big supporters of the oil industry right to take over your property and force oil and gas wells on your land whether you wanted them or not.

And if you dare take them to arbitration over any issue, the pro oil review boards will hand the oil companies a win just about every time.

All supported by the pro property rights Conservative friends of the oil companies. LOL

Been like that for a long time.

Hypocrisy runs deep amongst some Conservatives

How many oil wells on your land , or steam plants? Lots in area , none on my farm . So what point are you making again ?
Point is from that tweet is that the Liberals believe and with the blessing of the NDP under the leadership of the UN and WEF that no one needs private property……. That’s where this is going . Not a few oil wells , which are now virtually obsolete with highly efficient steam plants .

[jazz]

Yup Conservatives have been big supporters of the oil industry right to take over your property and force oil and gas wells on your land whether you wanted them or not.

chucks right, my family was forced to take oil wells and a $10k cheque every yr for the last 45 yrs.

We are outraged.

[dmlfarmer]

[QUOTE=Hamloc;541945]

No, Trudeau won his Papineau riding with 49.5% of the votes cast. It is only voters in Papineau who can vote for Trudeau. (Trudeau won 22,526 of 45,502 votes cast). The Liberal party won the most seats in the H of C - 160/338 seats or 47.3% of the seats. The Conservatives won the popular vote 5,747,410 (33.74%) compared to the Liberals 5,556,629 (32.62%) but only won 119 seats therefore resulting in a minority Liberal government. That is how democracy works in Canada and your 18% number is simply spin.

Actually Dml voter turnout according to Elections Canada was 62.5% in Canada’s 2021 general election of which 32.62% voted Liberal. Therefore 20.39% of Canada’s eligible voters voted Liberal. Jazz wasn’t too far off.

Hamloc: And on the other hand only 33.74% voted Conservative X 62.5% = 21.08% voted Conservative. Statistically there was no difference in support for Conservatives at 21.08% or Liberal at 20.39%. So if you are trying to argue that there was not enough public support for a Liberal government, you have to admit the same for Conservative.

However, we do not have a proportional representation in Canada. Nor do we force all eligible citizens to vote so we do not know who the 37.5% would have supported have they voted. Government in Canada is determined by who wins the most seats and the Liberals won the election. Trying to argue with percentage of votes is simply spin.

[chuckChuck]

chucks right, my family was forced to take oil wells and a $10k cheque every yr for the last 45 yrs.

We are outraged.

The same lease payment for 45 years? Who let that happen? LOL

Did the price of your farm land not go up in 45 years? Because unless you signed a lease that said lease rates would not be reviewed, you are entitled to a review and higher compensation based on increasing land values.

In the good old days every smaller farmer was hoping for surface leases to help subsidize their farm.

Now many farmers look at the nuisance that never goes away and think do I want to drive around every lease and lease road with a 60 - 80 ft seeder for ever with rather paltry compensation?

In a good year the profit from one quarter can add up to more than $45,000. While the oil companies like to say you can farm the lease, the reality is the service rigs will tramp your crop, rut up your field and if you are unlucky the packing gives way and sprays your lease crop with oil and salt water. Not to mention the permanent damage caused by compaction during lease and road construction.

Its not all gravy and some oil companies stop making lease payments and never clean up their messes.
There are long list of orphaned and suspended wells and facilities across western Canada that farmers keep going around with little or no compensation because the oil company is long gone.

This is an industry that loves to complain about regulations, but in reality enjoys regulations that gives them access to your land and little power to stop them if you disagree. So much for property rights.

[furrowtickler]

The same lease payment for 45 years? Who let that happen? LOL

Did the price of your farm land not go up in 45 years? Because unless you signed a lease that said lease rates would not be reviewed, you are entitled to a review and higher compensation based on increasing land values.

In the good old days every smaller farmer was hoping for surface leases to help subsidize their farm.

Now many farmers look at the nuisance that never goes away and think do I want to drive around every lease and lease road with a 60 - 80 ft seeder for ever with rather paltry compensation?

In a good year the profit from one quarter can add up to more than $45,000. While the oil companies like to say you can farm the lease, the reality is the service rigs will tramp your crop, rut up your field and if you are unlucky the packing gives way and sprays your lease crop with oil and salt water. Not to mention the permanent damage caused by compaction during lease and road construction.

Its not all gravy and some oil companies stop making lease payments and never clean up their messes.
There are long list of orphaned and suspended wells and facilities across western Canada that farmers keep going around with little or no compensation because the oil company is long gone.

This is an industry that loves to complain about regulations, but in reality enjoys regulations that gives them access to your land and little power to stop them if you disagree. So much for property rights.

Much like the crowns ….. Sask Power , Sask Energy and Sask Tel ? Maybe kinda

[chuckChuck]

But you vote for Conservative governments that are happy to give oil companies and crown corporations regulated and easy access to your land whether you want them or not?

So much for conservatives concern for property rights!

[furrowtickler]

But you vote for Conservative governments that are happy to give oil companies and crown corporations regulated and easy access to your land whether you want them or not?

So much for conservatives concern for property rights!

That’s not the property rights that are at question on a few acres , it’s the Liberal eye on all of it that should have us all concerned

[chuckChuck]

Back on topic.

Its good to see Liz Cheney a prominent Republican continue to drag Trump's ass through the glass at the January 6 hearings on the Big Lie.

It is now clear that almost all his officials advisors and family told him that he had lost the election fair and square. And that what he was planning to do to overturn the results was illegal.

Lets hope the Department of Justice lays charges because nobody including ex presidents are above the law. Lock the liar up!

[furrowtickler]

Back on topic.

Its good to see Liz Cheney a prominent Republican continue to drag Trump's ass through the glass at the January 6 hearings on the Big Lie.

It is now clear that almost all his officials advisors and family told him that he had lost the election fair and square. And that what he was planning to do to overturn the results was illegal.

Lets hope the Department of Justice lays charges because nobody including ex presidents are above the law. Lock the liar up!

Who just lied to the entire Canadian population about the emergencies act , here in Canada , recently ? Who cares about Trump already

[chuckChuck]

Time to change the channel? LOL

Who cares about Trump? All the Trump supporters who want him to run again. And all the other people who don't want the incompetent wanna be dictator anywhere near another public office including many members of the GOP.

There are a lot Trump supporters who can't seem tell the truth from lies.

Not one judge or his own appointee for Attorney General William Barr fell for the Big Lie. William Barr called it all bull shit

[jazz]

chuck, when do the hearings start for the BLM riots.

I seem to remember cops, politicians and celebrities kneeling with then and giving them money.

Enjoy your show trial. Its good CNN still has a couple clueless viewers. Liz Cheney will be primaried and ousted in a couple months.

[Guest]

How come no one has been charged in the recent BC terrorist act??
How come it’s never on the news ??

[chuckChuck]

Speaking of a die hard Trump supporters detached from reality who should show up but Jazz and Case. LOL And they are desperate to change the subject.

Trump won and covid would be gone after the election? How did that prediction work out for ya Jazz?.