Carbon Tax Rebate

[Hamloc]

I see the denialists and the excessive negative nellies who sometimes call Canada the worst country in the world are back at work. LOL

If you drive around much, you see a fair number of farms with solar panels. But I guess they are just imaginary panels!

If they are grid tied which most are, they wont put anything back into the grid if the power goes out for safety reasons.

And some people are already using their EVs as backup power. As to whether they become an important part of the grid that is too soon to say. But the California utility manager seems to think they will have a role.

But of course the arm chair "grid analysts" from Alberta aren't so sure.

I have a back up generator Chuck2. As part of installing it a large transfer switch was integrated so that it doesn’t backfeed the power lines when in use. Do you think people who are going to power their house will install the proper switching gear to hook up their truck to their house? Conversely grid tie solar installations offer no back up power capability during an outage because that is not the way they are wired in. Continue to dream Chuck2 lol!

[jazz]

I have a back up generator Chuck2. As part of installing it a large transfer switch was integrated so that it doesn’t backfeed the power lines when in use. Do you think people who are going to power their house will install the proper switching gear to hook up their truck to their house? Conversely grid tie solar installations offer no back up power capability during an outage because that is not the way they are wired in. Continue to dream Chuck2 lol!

Hybrids have been around for 15 yrs and they can grid connect. I dont see any of those owners selling back to the grid or powering their homes.

And with the poor battery life in EVs do you really want to waste those hours powering your house. Just depreciating your soon to be worthless vehicle faster.

[Guest]

I’d take the back feeding onto the grid with a grain of salt. Perhaps your home with it locked out from the grid. I’m no electrician but I’d hate to be a lineman around your place.

Leftard ,climatard, leaches don’t follow the laws or think they have to pay for roads or power grids , etc.

[jazz]

Leftard ,climatard, leaches don’t follow the laws or think they have to pay for roads or power grids , etc.

Any farmer worth his salt and witnessed a prairie hailstorm or plow wind would be the last person to put up a solar array.

Sounds like these renewable farmers are in BC.

[chuckChuck]

I have a back up generator Chuck2. As part of installing it a large transfer switch was integrated so that it doesn’t backfeed the power lines when in use. Do you think people who are going to power their house will install the proper switching gear to hook up their truck to their house? Conversely grid tie solar installations offer no back up power capability during an outage because that is not the way they are wired in. Continue to dream Chuck2 lol!

Wilton. You don't think the Ford Engineers would have thought of that issue?

From Bloomberg: Transforming a Lightning into a home generator requires Ford’s 80-amp charging station and a $3,895 home integration system from Sunrun Inc. Installation cost for the Sunrun system varies according to the home and location. The charging station comes with the extended-range version of the Lightning; it’s a $1,310 option for buyers of the standard 230 mile-range version of the pickup.

If the Lightning is plugged in when a blackout hits, the home automatically begins drawing electricity from the battery. When power is restored, the system disconnects and then resumes charging the vehicle. Ford says the Lightning can fully power an average home for roughly three days.

The system will be set up to switch on and off the grid just like automatic backup generators which go on and off when the powers goes out and back on again. It already exists and has been around for decades.

The manual transfer switch option works for those of us who have manual on and off generators.

If you shut of the main breaker switch at the pole and meter into your yard you can also run a generator and power your farm. But that is not recommended and prone to human error.

It is possible to set up a grid tied solar system to provide backup power but it is expensive. I asked an engineer about it and using a generator wont work with solar because the panels will put to much power into the generator and blow it up.

The safest option is to shut off the grid supply to your solar panels and then run your backup generator with a transfer switch.

[chuckChuck]

Any farmer worth his salt and witnessed a prairie hailstorm or plow wind would be the last person to put up a solar array.

Sounds like these renewable farmers are in BC.

But you have windows in your house, vulnerable crops in your fields and hail doesn't affect them too? LOL

Solar panels are tougher than most windows. And if the worst happens there is insurance.

Jazz your arguments are lame.

[jazz]

But you have windows in your house, vulnerable crops in your fields and hail doesn't affect them too? LOL

Solar panels are tougher than most windows. And if the worst happens there is insurance.

Jazz your arguments are lame.

My arguments are lame? Hell you are the one thinking solar and wind can power our society when every stat shows it’s not possible.

Quoting Reuters or Bloomberg isn’t science.

The Europeans are finding that out right now. Starting old coal plants. Your EV climate fairy take will die. It’s caused rampant inflation and hurt people now and that will be its down fall.

All the esg companies are quietly buying oil stocks.

[chuckChuck]

I never said wind and solar are going to replace all the fossil sources of energy.

But renewables already provide a lot of electricity in many countries.

"In 2021, about 4,116 billion kilowatthours (kWh) (or about 4.12 trillion kWh) of electricity were generated at utility-scale electricity generation facilities in the United States.1 About 61% of this electricity generation was from fossil fuels—coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 20% was from renewable energy sources.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that an additional 49 billion kWh of electricity generation was from small-scale solar photovoltaic systems in 2021."

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

And I stand by my statement that many of your arguments are lame!

Did you board up your windows and give up farming because of the hail risk just like you said solar wasn't viable because of hail? LOL

[chuckChuck]

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy-explained/how-much-uks-energy-renewable

Breaking records: The UK’s renewable energy in numbers

2020 was the UK’s highest year on record for renewable generation so far, and we’ve been breaking records for renewables ever since.

Zero-carbon power in Britain’s electricity mix has grown from less than 20% in 2010 to nearly 50% in 2021. In contrast, power provided from fossil fuels was down to roughly 35% in 2021 compared with over 75% in 2010.

In 2020 renewables accounted for more than 43.1% of the UK's total electricity generated, at 312 terawatt hours (TWh). This outstripped fossil fuels over the course of a year, for the first time in the nation’s history.

2020 also saw UK have its longest run of coal-free power, with a total of 68 days between 10 April and 16 June. This is the longest coal-free period since the industrial revolution, which began in the mid-1700s!

Zero-carbon generation overtook fossil fuel consumption in 11 months of the year in 2021.

2021 was the second highest year for renewable generation on record, after 2020.

On 5 April 2021, the UK achieved its lowest ever carbon intensity at 39 grams of CO2 per kWh, due to reduced use of fossil fuels for electricity generation. This was made possible by a 60% increase in the rate of renewable capacity installed in 2021 (compared to 2020).

25 May 2022 holds the record for the maximum amount of wind power generation, at 19.9 GW.

[furrowtickler]

They need something to reliably run the grid for people to charge their EV’s lol