Happy Chuck?

[Hamloc]

Certainly with the price of natural gas rising this is true. The good thing about solar and wind is the fuel price is zero and doesn't go up or down.

There will be additional system costs with integrating renewables into the system. But the generation costs of wind and solar are very competitive if not lower than competing new fossil fuel sources. That's why they re attractive investments in Alberta.

Actually Chuck2 renewables are attractive investments in Alberta because solar farm owners can contract directly with large end users like Amazon(who want to greenwash their businesses) and then you throw in carbon credits(a government created imaginary market) and your off to the races. Essentially Alberta has the most open electricity market in Canada, that is why renewables are being installed here.

[shtferbrains]

actually chuck2 renewables are attractive investments in alberta because solar farm owners can contract directly with large end users like amazon(who want to greenwash their businesses) and then you throw in carbon credits(a government created imaginary market) and your off to the races. Essentially alberta has the most open electricity market in canada, that is why renewables are being installed here.

bingo!

But why does Amazon need to greenwash?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What you obviously missed with my post is that Alberta’s electricity generation system is transparent. You can see what each generation source is able to provide at different times of day and different times of year up to the minute. You have provided no examples of this transparency from your government owned system in Saskatchewan. What this transparency also shows as I have pointed out, switching to a lower C02 emitting grid based on solar, wind and natural gas increases not decreases the cost of electricity to the consumer! Lol!

Hamloc, normally your contributions to these discussions are impeccable. But by referring to wind and solar as lower CO2, you are only perpetuating the same misinformation which ignoramus such as Chuck believe.
Evidence from anywhere in the world which has increased their solar and wind has clearly shown that CO2 emissions if anything go up. Which should be obvious by the fact that costs also go up, a direct reflection of the amount of actual fossil fuel energy required to implement and backup and build the unreliable solar and wind. Unless of course Chuck finally finds an example of some place in the world where implementing solar and wind have actually not resulted in higher costs for energy. Not holding my breath for that to happen.

[Hamloc]

Hamloc, normally your contributions to these discussions are impeccable. But by referring to wind and solar as lower CO2, you are only perpetuating the same misinformation which ignoramus such as Chuck believe.
Evidence from anywhere in the world which has increased their solar and wind has clearly shown that CO2 emissions if anything go up. Which should be obvious by the fact that costs also go up, a direct reflection of the amount of actual fossil fuel energy required to implement and backup and build the unreliable solar and wind. Unless of course Chuck finally finds an example of some place in the world where implementing solar and wind have actually not resulted in higher costs for energy. Not holding my breath for that to happen.

What I would say in my defence AB5, using the U.S.A. as an example, switching from coal to natural gas in the U.S.A. has lowered their C02 emissions from electrical generation according to government sources.

[chuckChuck]

It's pure fiction that A5 likes to spin that renewable generation sources don't and can't reduce emissions.

If I produce 35,000 kwh on average from my solar system that I use on farm and the surplus goes back into the grid displacing other fossil generation sources how would that increase emissions?

If wind and solar are producing, then gas and coal can be turned down burning less fuel during that period.

Several companies are looking at using wind power in Newfoundland top produce ammonia/hydrogen. Energy storage for renewables. Wait for it A5 is going to tell us it won't work and it won't reduce emissions. LOL

Why Newfoundland is betting big on wind and hydrogen

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-newfoundland-wind-hydrogen-investment/

The relentless winds that buffet the coasts of Newfoundland and Labrador have caught the attention of renewable-power developers who want to harness them and use the clean electricity to produce hydrogen, with Germany as a potential customer.

They believe the sector can become a driving force of the province’s economy, pointing to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s scheduled meeting in Stephenville, N.L., this week to sign a hydrogen agreement.

Mr. Scholz landed in Montreal on Sunday for a visit that also includes a stop in Toronto. He is being accompanied by Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck, who is in charge of the country’s energy file.

The province lifted a moratorium on the construction of wind farms earlier this year and on July 26 issued a call for proposals to put turbines on Crown lands. Already, more than a dozen project proponents have reached out to the government.

Most are interested in tying wind farms to hydrogen production, Minister of Industry, Energy and Technology Andrew Parsons told The Globe and Mail in a recent interview.

[shtferbrains]

So Germay is coming half way around the world to invest in offshore wind energy to produce Hydrogen in iceberg alley?

Will there be some local gas contacts involved?

[shtferbrains]

https://twitter.com/BrianGitt/status/1560607697514311680?t=uLdH52StFXTCYN2g6bHM7g&s=19

This Twitter thread says all that needs to be said.

[jazz]

So Germay is coming half way around the world to invest in offshore wind energy to produce Hydrogen in iceberg alley?

Will there be some local gas contacts involved?

What the media forgot to tell you is there is no hydrogen infrastructure here or in Germany and if it was to commence this very minute to build it, its at least 5 yrs away.

[sumdumguy]

If Germany is coming to Donkeyville for energy help, they are sorely misguided. They are barking up the wrong tree, better try Pakistan. 😂

[shtferbrains]

What the media forgot to tell you is there is no hydrogen infrastructure here or in Germany and if it was to commence this very minute to build it, its at least 5 yrs away.

The media doesn't forget to tell you anything.
They just rewrite it from the PMO news release with no research or questions.
Lazy journalism not worth reading.
Don't have to leave their apartment.

[sumdumguy]

They are “working” from home?

[Hamloc]

It's pure fiction that A5 likes to spin that renewable generation sources don't and can't reduce emissions.

If I produce 35,000 kwh on average from my solar system that I use on farm and the surplus goes back into the grid displacing other fossil generation sources how would that increase emissions?

If wind and solar are producing, then gas and coal can be turned down burning less fuel during that period.

Several companies are looking at using wind power in Newfoundland top produce ammonia/hydrogen. Energy storage for renewables. Wait for it A5 is going to tell us it won't work and it won't reduce emissions. LOL

Why Newfoundland is betting big on wind and hydrogen

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-newfoundland-wind-hydrogen-investment/

The relentless winds that buffet the coasts of Newfoundland and Labrador have caught the attention of renewable-power developers who want to harness them and use the clean electricity to produce hydrogen, with Germany as a potential customer.

They believe the sector can become a driving force of the province’s economy, pointing to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s scheduled meeting in Stephenville, N.L., this week to sign a hydrogen agreement.

Mr. Scholz landed in Montreal on Sunday for a visit that also includes a stop in Toronto. He is being accompanied by Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck, who is in charge of the country’s energy file.

The province lifted a moratorium on the construction of wind farms earlier this year and on July 26 issued a call for proposals to put turbines on Crown lands. Already, more than a dozen project proponents have reached out to the government.

Most are interested in tying wind farms to hydrogen production, Minister of Industry, Energy and Technology Andrew Parsons told The Globe and Mail in a recent interview.

A couple of thoughts Chuck2. I just read an article on Reuters, posted 2 days ago, that shows 62% of Germans think Olaf Schulz is doing a bad job of governing. Latest polling shows Justin Trudeau has an over 50% disapproval rating. From that standpoint it is certainly fitting that they both are going to be in Newfoundland promoting putting up windmills to produce hydrogen to export to Germany, that makes a lot of sense(cents) doesn’t it?! The question is, who are these two leaders working for? It certainly isn’t the people of their respective countries!!

As for our previous conversation, on thing that Alberta’s transparent(Saskatchewan’s apparently isn’t) electricity generation system has proven is shuttering coal increases the cost of electrical generation, it is that simple!!