Electric vehicles

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, I asked for results that show lower costs to the end user. Not the meaningless generation costs. Somehow between producing free energy and getting that to the consumer, it always results in multiple times the cost of the reliable alternatives.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Not electric cars but but some reading following a news report about “clean air day”

Foreign governments are spending 30 times more on fossil fuel projects in Africa than on initiatives to lessen the impacts of the continent’s second-biggest killer, air pollution, research showed on Wednesday.

The report, released on the International Day of Clean Air, showed that 0.3 per cent of African countries’ development assistance received in 2015-21 had been specifically earmarked for air-quality projects, despite pollution being responsible for one in five deaths continent-wide.

The analysis by the Clean Air Fund found that during the same period, donor nations provided 36 times more funding for prolonging fossil fuel use in Africa.

It’s why I alluded the other day that climate change politics is going to ruin third world countries make them far worse. They need fossil fuels there untapped resource.

Not as polished as some of you with English dialect and don’t explain my self how I would like at times but blind Freddy can see the green dream and it’s affects on many countries.

Many won’t acknowledge it even for a moment.

Most of the air pollution in third world countries that is killing people is coming from burning dung and wood for cooking in poorly ventilated places. Easiest solution by far is fossil fuel energy.

[WiltonRanch]

Looked into an ev Polaris ranger. It’s gasoline counterpart is $4000 less. Wouldn’t mind one but cost difference too large. Thought it’d be ideal for my needs.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Looked into an ev Polaris ranger. It’s gasoline counterpart is $4000 less. Wouldn’t mind one but cost difference too large. Thought it’d be ideal for my needs.

I agree, that is a unique application where electric would be a big benefit. Range isn't a big issue, it comes back to the same location after short trips, where it is parked unused most of the time.

So how long would it take to pay back the $4,000 price difference?

Pretend that electricity is half the price of gasoline. It was even cheaper than that a while ago, recently I've heard it is now costing more to charge a Tesla than it would have to drive a gasoline vehicle, so half is probably a reasonable estimate.

Our ATV use is very sporadic. Mike burn 10 l a week during calving or Rock picking. Might not move at all most of the winter. Average of that out to 5 l a week. 250 l a year, saving half the cost of fuel call it 75 cents which is high right now.

Round it up to $200 to account for an oil change or two. So it would only take 20 years to break even on the additional cost of the electric atv.
And we all know that 20-year-old ATVs on the farm (especially those with cattle, their ATVs never get abused whatsoever) are all still in pristine condition***, with at least another 20 years of productive life left over to start actually making money on your investment.

And that is before taking into account the time value of that $4,000 that was spent up front.

[WiltonRanch]

I agree, that is a unique application where electric would be a big benefit. Range isn't a big issue, it comes back to the same location after short trips, where it is parked unused most of the time.

So how long would it take to pay back the $4,000 price difference?

Pretend that electricity is half the price of gasoline. It was even cheaper than that a while ago, recently I've heard it is now costing more to charge a Tesla than it would have to drive a gasoline vehicle, so half is probably a reasonable estimate.

Our ATV use is very sporadic. Mike burn 10 l a week during calving or Rock picking. Might not move at all most of the winter. Average of that out to 5 l a week. 250 l a year, saving half the cost of fuel call it 75 cents which is high right now.

Round it up to $200 to account for an oil change or two. So it would only take 20 years to break even on the additional cost of the electric atv.
And we all know that 20-year-old ATVs on the farm (especially those with cattle, their ATVs never get abused whatsoever) are all still in pristine condition***, with at least another 20 years of productive life left over to start actually making money on your investment.

And that is before taking into account the time value of that $4,000 that was spent up front.

Exactly. Price point scares me away at this time and the fact the battery will crap out before a gas engine. So it is a matter of cost and longevity. Till that is solved EV’s are a novelty for the rich and intrepid. I like the concept of electric drive anything but it isn’t quite there for consumer transportation that makes it economical vs gasoline or diesel. Imagine our friend who doesn’t own an ev yet will tell us we are negative nellies but even if gasoline cost was double that what electricity could transport you it is the capital cost and replacement of the battery which is a deal breaker for me. I still think there are strides to be made in diesel electric drives on ag and industrial equipment. There alone could save 30% fuel consumption and opens up possibilities for traction control only a dream with mechanical drives. Even converting shipping over to lng will do more than messing with electric cars. I think the electric car think is one of those things like the metal drives during the war. It gave people at home a sense of purpose collecting all the metal they could find in hopes it defeated Hitler. A lot of it was dumped in landfills.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yes, but in credit to our economical friend, he's only waiting for the price of electric vehicles to come down so he can buy his. And since he first stated that, I believe lithium is up by a factor of three, and all of the other materials required to build an electric car up by comparable amounts, plus shortages of microchips. Plus the increased carbon tax on all of the costs involved in producing and transporting and recharging the electric vehicle.

I am beginning to think that his plans of owning an electric vehicle when they become cost competitive rate right up there with his waiting for global warming to come true, new battery technology to come along, and up-to-date data on covid vaccine effectiveness.

[Partners]

New ideas every day.

[chuckChuck]

A4 seems pretty happy with his Tesla and the reduced cost of charging the battery compared to gas or diesel. But pay no heed to A4 even though he has the only real world experience with an EV on Agriville.

Yes many EVs are too expensive and battery life is a big question mark. But consumers seem to be buying $80,000 pickup trucks whether they need them or not and price and cost of ownership seems not to be much of a concern. Got to have a truck cause they are the new overpriced over marketed status luxury vehicle.

But the assumption that EVs will always be more expensive than ICE vehicles is dumb. The auto industry is working hard to bring EV prices down and price parity will occur at some point. And battery technology will improve.

You can give up your electric tools and go back to pulling hand wrenches. And put away your smart phone and stick with the party line! Give up on GPS and auto steering. It will never work said your granpappy! LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But the assumption that EVs will always be more expensive than ICE vehicles is dumb. The auto industry is working hard to bring EV prices down and price parity will occur at some point. And battery technology will improve.

Like a broken record. Just keeps repeating the same wishful thinking over and over again inspite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[chuckChuck]

Still using a party line A5. Two rings or one?

When you get a chance talk to A4 or did you forget he seems to think EVs are the way of the future? He must be a marxist! LOL