Nordstream pipelines

[beaverdam]

Much as I think Russia blew it up I don’t see a good reason for them to do so. Cut off their nose …. However Russia/Putin has been backed in a corner and when so animals and humans do illogical things. Only thing I can reason is it’s a false flag to implicate the USA. Seen a Biden speech floating around where he says Nordstream should be stopped by any means possible. Imagine Russian actors are helping it be distributed but context is key as well. Funny though that another pipeline from Norway is coming on stream and capacity can be doubled. Maybe Norway blew it. Aside from present smaller capacity Russian gas is cut off from the west. They are stuck with India and China at discounted rates. I’m perplexed by it all.

Here's the link to that speech, I posted it on page 1

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662

[beaverdam]

Media "news Depts" are saying it must be Russia that blew up the pipelines,,, because Russia would benefit from rising energy prices in Europe due to the pipelines being shutin.

But weren't the lines already being shutdown, and wasn't Russia's energy being boycotted, and to be completely shutout of Europe by spring?

What if the ChiComs blew it up, they could sit back and watch the blame being tossed back and forth between USA and Russia. All the while, Russia has lost out on sales to Europe, and with extra gas now available, could mean cheaper prices for China.

[sumdumguy]

Maybe the Vikings blew them up, some one knows, but for sure it’s not us, we’ve had our noses in chaff and our scuba diving gear is rotting in the boathouse. All we know for sure is that we aren’t Europeans because our brave ancestors hopped on a boat destined for the “Pallister Triangle”. 💪🏼🐎💪🏼

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I can't even speculate on who did this.
But, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking about all of the grain supposedly in Russia, trying to find a home. If some party was willing and able to sabatoge the pipeline for natural gas, would they also target other exports? Grain ships, or ports, what about mines and the related infrastrucure and shipping?

Impossible to defend every inch of a pipeline outside your own borders, even harder to defend shipping all over the world. How much of that grain might not make it to the final destination? Has this probability spooked the market lately?

[beaverdam]

I can't even speculate on who did this.
But, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking about all of the grain supposedly in Russia, trying to find a home. If some party was willing and able to sabatoge the pipeline for natural gas, would they also target other exports? Grain ships, or ports, what about mines and the related infrastrucure and shipping?

Impossible to defend every inch of a pipeline outside your own borders, even harder to defend shipping all over the world. How much of that grain might not make it to the final destination? Has this probability spooked the market lately?

Won't China and India(& Pakistan due to their losses from flooding) take Russia's grain? If Russia is limited on who they can export to,,, might mean cheap grain for both those countries.

[biglentil]

I can't even speculate on who did this.
But, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking about all of the grain supposedly in Russia, trying to find a home. If some party was willing and able to sabatoge the pipeline for natural gas, would they also target other exports? Grain ships, or ports, what about mines and the related infrastrucure and shipping?

Impossible to defend every inch of a pipeline outside your own borders, even harder to defend shipping all over the world. How much of that grain might not make it to the final destination? Has this probability spooked the market lately?

Harvest happy hour might be holding prices down some imo.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Won't China and India(& Pakistan due to their losses from flooding) take Russia's grain? If Russia is limited on who they can export to, might mean cheap grain for both those countries.

That would seem to be the plan.
But if the purpose of the pipeline sabotage was to starve Russia of their export revenues, then whoever did that may also have an interest in sabotaging their grain exports. If China and India aren't going to play along with the sanctions game, then what if some of their boots sink on the way from Russia with grain? I would have said that was unthinkable not long ago, but after what happened to the pipeline, this might be a possibility. What would that do to Grain markets?

It is worth noting that metals have been up fairly consistently since this happened. Russia being a major exporter of metals.

[biglentil]

[jazz]

Has this probability spooked the market lately?

Markets are more spooked by a sovereign debt crisis lead by a currency collapse. Your gains in ag and other commodities are the direct rersult of the weak loon rolling over.

The nordstream lies at a dept of 250 ft or more, the pipeline is moored to the floor and encased in concrete.

This wasn't just run of the mill attack. Only a handful of groups or countries would have the know how to pull this off. Cough...Seal Team

[agstar77]

Russia claims Ukraine is part of Russia. They causing Billions of dollars damage and expending their military.

[foragefarmer]

OMG Tom you are going right off the rails.

US blew up Nord stream to stop Germany from pivoting back to Russia for energy. They were testing under water drones in that same region mere days ago.

There are already riots and protests starting in many EU countries. German economy will be destroyed just to be a US deep state lapdog.

As for blowing up the pipelines, Putin the desperate rat is cornered, and realizes it. Just more propaganda to feed the Russian citizens to justify the invasion and genocide of Ukraine. Not hard to figure that one out.

Major cracks appearing under Putin's dictatorship!

Able-bodied men fleeing to neighboring countries to avoid Putin's conscription.

Russian Oligarchs and many other Russians realizing and understanding Putin invasion is making Russia a pariah state.

Leaderless, undertrained, ill-informed, and ill-equipped Russian soldiers retreating the front lines abandoning equipment and supplies as the Ukrainian forces pound them. Just wondering how long these flightless soldiers turn their guns towards Putin.

I'm sure the current Russian soldiers know from their history classes what caused the Russian Revolution of 1917.

"Massive casualties at the front, the retreat of the armies, and the growing economic hardships was added the knowledge, widespread in the capital and among the upper classes, that the government was in the hands of incompetents."

Jazz, you do realize that Russian mothers love their children, and no propaganda by Putin's controlled media can ease the pain in seeing their babies coming back in body bags.

The so -called EU riots you speak of are nothing to compare to the impending without a doubt shit storm Putin will be facing in the future.

[Landdownunder]

Australia announced further sanctions against Russia yesterday.

And Australia signed up with Ukraine in the International Court of Justice.


jazz will say Australia equates to getting hit with a feather duster but if enough do it will force the issue.

Blind Freddy can see Putin is in deep doo doo with war crimes commission as well.

What really amazes me if a few alt right guys and commentators who are the Bastian of capitalism are 100% behind Putin bastion of communism and socialism.

Strange bedfellows or bats in the belfry.

I try not to do cut and pastes but one below sorry

[Landdownunder]

In the UN Security Council on Friday, Russia vetoed a resolution condemning Moscow’s assault on the sovereignty of independent, democratic Ukraine. Moscow’s increasing isolation, even from allies such as China, was clear. In abstaining, China’s representative spoke of the need for talks to end the war. India, too, contradicted months of refusing to condemn Russia and buying its cheap oil by abstaining. Turkey, under Mr Putin’s autocratic friend Recep Tayyip Erdogan, also changed course, condemning the Russian annexation announcement as “a grave violation of international laws”. Kazakhstan was also critical. A warning by the influential Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets that “Vladimir Putin has nowhere to retreat … so he’ll continue to attack” highlighted the threat the world faces. Mr Putin’s bluster about Western “Satanism” was crafted to imply use of nuclear weapons. Responsible governments must refuse to be coerced. The cohesion of an alliance of nations set on defeating Mr Putin’s nuclear sabre-rattling has never mattered more. Mr Stoltenberg pledged NATO’s 30 member states would consider Ukraine’s request for the fast-tracking of its application for membership. They should not delay. NATO’s nuclear arsenal would ruin Mr Putin’s regime if it were used in retaliation against an attack by him. He should heed Joe Biden’s warning that “America’s fully prepared, with our NATO allies, to defend every inch of NATO territory … Mr Putin, don’t misunderstand what I’m saying … every inch.”

[furrowtickler]

Well to me it’s as plain as the nose on your face …


But that’s just my opinion, could be totally wrong
But the US did have a fleet in area testing underwater drones and probably the only country on earth capable of doing such a covertly run operation. The Russians right now could not even hold a Walmart let alone be capable of pulling that off in Dutch waters , while their army runs for their life
Again I could be totally wrong but … C’mon man ?
Nordstream 2 was not even operating yet and Line one had the gas valve turned off no ?
Putin is a complete bastard but not completely stupid either .
But who knows maybe it was ..

[furrowtickler]

Like “other” major world events, this will be debated and unclear with propaganda media on both sides for decades