Carbon Tax

[AlbertaFarmer5]

In 50+ years there won't be enough people living outside the cities to understand what you're talking about.

You need to tell that to all of my new neighbors. People can't seem to get out of the city fast enough especially this last 2 years. Work from home has made it viable. The controls that were put in for covid were the straw that broke the camel's back.
And from what I see and hear and what Realtors are saying the trend is similar in other rural areas. We just happen to have mountains and employment and recreation and relatively close access to amenities. I thought you were East or Northeast of calgary, I thought you would have the same situation happening no?

[WiltonRanch]

Ontario and the east are getting old and any new growth is from immigration. The vast majority of immigrants come to work and succeed. Talking with them they realize Trudeau is not sustainable. Think the conservatives stand to gain so much support once they get out of the weeds. I could see a pivot in the political paradigm in the future where the conservatives are once again a big hat party representing this motivated immigrant class while liberals and ndp are the old stock eclipsed by the new Canadians. The old stock has no one to blame but themselves. University enrolment and better jobs are increasingly filled by non old stock Canadians. They are motivated to get ahead like our ancestors were when they came here with nothing. That is why I think our natives need to get their shit together cause the emerging ruling class will not be as sympathetic. As far as the east and west splitting we will just grow apart like we are already doing. The manufactured “Canadian Identity” is an eastern notion. Tim Hortons, Maple Syrup, Molson Canadian, etc. It’s a bunch of eastern things. I’m as old stock as they come. Have relations in the east still but a lot of westerners don’t even have that connection. Their Canadian experience is dramatically different than someone in PEI or Ontario. We were treated like a colony and therefore that resentment has been in our background for 150 years. The USA has similar problems as we do but what ultimately keeps it together is that each state is separate enough because reciprocal lie within the state’s jurisdiction. As well, each state has equal say in the senate. Canada as it exists I fear does not have a very long shelf life.

[jazz]

I think this is a great development. Let them triple down.

They think that they can extract a carbon tax to dish out as rebate to gullible Canadians without causing inflation and skyrocketing cost of living for all people. I say let them try. Let’s end this climate bullshite the only way it can.

[chuckChuck]

A carbon tax of a few cents per litre, much of which is rebated to consumers, is going to kill the economy?

But a 50% percent increase in the price of fuels with a massive transfer of wealth to oil companies who have record profits, has little impact and isn't responsible for a lot of inflation? LOL

It's the Conservative dumb ass denial machine at work. And the gullible sheep have no clue.

Crypto Polly has no plan except to cancel the carbon tax and then switch to more expensive subsidies to tech solutions and industry to reduce emissions.

They will be targeted at the oil industry and will be well hidden, but consumers and taxpayers will still be paying for them.

Crypto Polly will eventually have to admit something needs to be done about carbon emissions which will alienate a large majority of the fervent flatearthers.

So it will be a whole lot harder for the likes of A5 to keep saying we need to burn more coal to make it rain and we will run out of CO2 if we don't keep burning fossil fuels while Crypto Polly puts programs in place to reduce emissions.

But A5 never shows up again to defend his wacky ruminations with credible science. No surprise there because there is no science that supports his off the wall fringe notions.

When challenged A5 quickly changes the subject to nothing important.

[Hamloc]

A carbon tax of a few cents per litre, much of which is rebated to consumers, is going to kill the economy?

But a 50% percent increase in the price of fuels with a massive transfer of wealth to oil companies who have record profits, has little impact and isn't responsible for a lot of inflation? LOL

It's the Conservative dumb ass denial machine at work. And the gullible sheep have no clue.

Crypto Polly has no plan except to cancel the carbon tax and then switch to more expensive subsidies to tech solutions and industry to reduce emissions.

They will be targeted at the oil industry and will be well hidden, but consumers and taxpayers will still be paying for them.

Crypto Polly will eventually have to admit something needs to be done about carbon emissions which will alienate a large majority of the fervent flatearthers.

So it will be a whole lot harder for the likes of A5 to keep saying we need to burn more coal to make it rain and we will run out of CO2 if we don't keep burning fossil fuels while Crypto Polly puts programs in place to reduce emissions.

But A5 never shows up again to defend his wacky ruminations with credible science. No surprise there because there is no science that supports his off the wall fringe notions.

When challenged A5 quickly changes the subject to nothing important.

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

[furrowtickler]

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

Simply because it’s nothing but a wealth transfer scheme

[jazz]

Simply because it’s nothing but a wealth transfer scheme

Its a punitive weath transfer tax scheme. The GST for its faults is fair.

Carbon tax penalizes resource producing regions and people living in the hinterlands and transfers their productive capacity to clueless commie soccer moms in Toronto.

Should have never got past the SCC. It should be rechallenged based on unequal taxation. Or just use the NWC and ignore it. Maybe Dannielle Smith will try.

[chuckChuck]

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

Politics. Much of the EU has a carbon tax so why do they have a carbon tax?

Subsidies are more politically acceptable.

But a carbon tax is cheaper and more effective because it rewards those who innovate and reduce emissions. I don't pay any carbon tax on my solar electricity for example. And the cost over 30 years will be much lower than what it will cost from Sask Power.

Alberta and Saskatchewan both have large emitters carbon tax programs but because they are a hidden price on carbon they don't attract as much political attention. Moe and Kenney are taxing all kinds of things but you aren't calling them commies? Why not?

There is also a massive transfer of wealth to the oil industry who are making record profits. I hope you are enjoying the high market prices for farm fuel.

[Hamloc]

Politics. Much of the EU has a carbon tax so why do they have a carbon tax?

Subsidies are more politically acceptable.

But a carbon tax is cheaper and more effective because it rewards those who innovate and reduce emissions.

There is also a massive transfer of wealth to the oil industry who are making record profits. I hope you are enjoying the high market prices for farm fuel.

So in your opinion we should use the EU as a road map for energy policy? How are EU energy policies working out for their citizens? Let’s see, a newly elected right wing government in Italy. The ruling Conservatives in England polling at less than 30%. Olaf Scholz of Germany 28% approve, 66% disapprove. Extremely high energy prices in the EU, all related to their energy policies enacted in the last 20 years. If a carbon tax is so effective why doesn’t the EU have the cheapest and most abundant energy in the world?! Lol.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I don't pay any carbon tax on my solar electricity for example.

Simply amazing.

So you didn't pay any CO2 tax directly or indirectly when you bought the imaginary panels? None of the energy intensive processes requried to mine and process and refine and manufacture and transport and install the panels and all the related mounting and hardware and wiring and electronics required burning any CO2 to necessitate paying and CO2 tax? They were brought from China on a sailboat, delivered to your yard/basement by horse and buggy, hoisted into place by a team of strong men using only hand tools, post holes dug by hand, etc. No hypocrisy at all in your statement.

You are likely partially right, considering that our regulations and tax policies have forced most of those steps offshore to places with no CO2 tax or environmental oversight. And as ridiculous as it is, our CO2 tax ends at our border, punishing local manufacturing, while rewarding foreign competitors, and therefore doing absolutely nothing to reduce CO2 globally.

Secondly, your imaginary unpredictable and unreliable solar panels are 100% backed up 100% of the time with reliable generation, in most cases, easily ramped up fossil fuel generation, all of which is subject to punitive CO2 taxes. So, not only you, but every other customer is paying CO2 tax on the fossil fuels being burnt in standby generation while your virtue signalling imaginary solar panels make their feeble unpredictable daily contribution. The net result being no notable reduction in CO2 output.