Carbon Tax

[jazz]

I think this is a great development. Let them triple down.

They think that they can extract a carbon tax to dish out as rebate to gullible Canadians without causing inflation and skyrocketing cost of living for all people. I say let them try. Let’s end this climate bullshite the only way it can.

[chuckChuck]

A carbon tax of a few cents per litre, much of which is rebated to consumers, is going to kill the economy?

But a 50% percent increase in the price of fuels with a massive transfer of wealth to oil companies who have record profits, has little impact and isn't responsible for a lot of inflation? LOL

It's the Conservative dumb ass denial machine at work. And the gullible sheep have no clue.

Crypto Polly has no plan except to cancel the carbon tax and then switch to more expensive subsidies to tech solutions and industry to reduce emissions.

They will be targeted at the oil industry and will be well hidden, but consumers and taxpayers will still be paying for them.

Crypto Polly will eventually have to admit something needs to be done about carbon emissions which will alienate a large majority of the fervent flatearthers.

So it will be a whole lot harder for the likes of A5 to keep saying we need to burn more coal to make it rain and we will run out of CO2 if we don't keep burning fossil fuels while Crypto Polly puts programs in place to reduce emissions.

But A5 never shows up again to defend his wacky ruminations with credible science. No surprise there because there is no science that supports his off the wall fringe notions.

When challenged A5 quickly changes the subject to nothing important.

[Hamloc]

A carbon tax of a few cents per litre, much of which is rebated to consumers, is going to kill the economy?

But a 50% percent increase in the price of fuels with a massive transfer of wealth to oil companies who have record profits, has little impact and isn't responsible for a lot of inflation? LOL

It's the Conservative dumb ass denial machine at work. And the gullible sheep have no clue.

Crypto Polly has no plan except to cancel the carbon tax and then switch to more expensive subsidies to tech solutions and industry to reduce emissions.

They will be targeted at the oil industry and will be well hidden, but consumers and taxpayers will still be paying for them.

Crypto Polly will eventually have to admit something needs to be done about carbon emissions which will alienate a large majority of the fervent flatearthers.

So it will be a whole lot harder for the likes of A5 to keep saying we need to burn more coal to make it rain and we will run out of CO2 if we don't keep burning fossil fuels while Crypto Polly puts programs in place to reduce emissions.

But A5 never shows up again to defend his wacky ruminations with credible science. No surprise there because there is no science that supports his off the wall fringe notions.

When challenged A5 quickly changes the subject to nothing important.

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

[furrowtickler]

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

Simply because it’s nothing but a wealth transfer scheme

[jazz]

Simply because it’s nothing but a wealth transfer scheme

Its a punitive weath transfer tax scheme. The GST for its faults is fair.

Carbon tax penalizes resource producing regions and people living in the hinterlands and transfers their productive capacity to clueless commie soccer moms in Toronto.

Should have never got past the SCC. It should be rechallenged based on unequal taxation. Or just use the NWC and ignore it. Maybe Dannielle Smith will try.

[chuckChuck]

Simple question Chuck2, why if a carbon tax is the answer is there no federal carbon tax in the USA?!

Politics. Much of the EU has a carbon tax so why do they have a carbon tax?

Subsidies are more politically acceptable.

But a carbon tax is cheaper and more effective because it rewards those who innovate and reduce emissions. I don't pay any carbon tax on my solar electricity for example. And the cost over 30 years will be much lower than what it will cost from Sask Power.

Alberta and Saskatchewan both have large emitters carbon tax programs but because they are a hidden price on carbon they don't attract as much political attention. Moe and Kenney are taxing all kinds of things but you aren't calling them commies? Why not?

There is also a massive transfer of wealth to the oil industry who are making record profits. I hope you are enjoying the high market prices for farm fuel.

[Hamloc]

Politics. Much of the EU has a carbon tax so why do they have a carbon tax?

Subsidies are more politically acceptable.

But a carbon tax is cheaper and more effective because it rewards those who innovate and reduce emissions.

There is also a massive transfer of wealth to the oil industry who are making record profits. I hope you are enjoying the high market prices for farm fuel.

So in your opinion we should use the EU as a road map for energy policy? How are EU energy policies working out for their citizens? Let’s see, a newly elected right wing government in Italy. The ruling Conservatives in England polling at less than 30%. Olaf Scholz of Germany 28% approve, 66% disapprove. Extremely high energy prices in the EU, all related to their energy policies enacted in the last 20 years. If a carbon tax is so effective why doesn’t the EU have the cheapest and most abundant energy in the world?! Lol.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I don't pay any carbon tax on my solar electricity for example.

Simply amazing.

So you didn't pay any CO2 tax directly or indirectly when you bought the imaginary panels? None of the energy intensive processes requried to mine and process and refine and manufacture and transport and install the panels and all the related mounting and hardware and wiring and electronics required burning any CO2 to necessitate paying and CO2 tax? They were brought from China on a sailboat, delivered to your yard/basement by horse and buggy, hoisted into place by a team of strong men using only hand tools, post holes dug by hand, etc. No hypocrisy at all in your statement.

You are likely partially right, considering that our regulations and tax policies have forced most of those steps offshore to places with no CO2 tax or environmental oversight. And as ridiculous as it is, our CO2 tax ends at our border, punishing local manufacturing, while rewarding foreign competitors, and therefore doing absolutely nothing to reduce CO2 globally.

Secondly, your imaginary unpredictable and unreliable solar panels are 100% backed up 100% of the time with reliable generation, in most cases, easily ramped up fossil fuel generation, all of which is subject to punitive CO2 taxes. So, not only you, but every other customer is paying CO2 tax on the fossil fuels being burnt in standby generation while your virtue signalling imaginary solar panels make their feeble unpredictable daily contribution. The net result being no notable reduction in CO2 output.

[Guest]

It is amazing how anyone can be that naive?

[jazz]

It is amazing how anyone can be that naive?

Thats not naive, its the signs of a broken mental state. Full on denial of reality.

Just like the soccer moms who are convinced they are getting more climate action rebate than they paid in.

Or the CERB gobblers who got a few thousand bucks to comply and then helped kick off 8% inflation.

Full on fantasy delusion land.

[chuckChuck]

Simply amazing.

So you didn't pay any CO2 tax directly or indirectly when you bought the imaginary panels? None of the energy intensive processes requried to mine and process and refine and manufacture and transport and install the panels and all the related mounting and hardware and wiring and electronics required burning any CO2 to necessitate paying and CO2 tax? They were brought from China on a sailboat, delivered to your yard/basement by horse and buggy, hoisted into place by a team of strong men using only hand tools, post holes dug by hand, etc. No hypocrisy at all in your statement.

You are likely partially right, considering that our regulations and tax policies have forced most of those steps offshore to places with no CO2 tax or environmental oversight. And as ridiculous as it is, our CO2 tax ends at our border, punishing local manufacturing, while rewarding foreign competitors, and therefore doing absolutely nothing to reduce CO2 globally.

Secondly, your imaginary unpredictable and unreliable solar panels are 100% backed up 100% of the time with reliable generation, in most cases, easily ramped up fossil fuel generation, all of which is subject to punitive CO2 taxes. So, not only you, but every other customer is paying CO2 tax on the fossil fuels being burnt in standby generation while your virtue signalling imaginary solar panels make their feeble unpredictable daily contribution. The net result being no notable reduction in CO2 output.

I don't pay any carbon tax on the electricity that my solar panels produce and I use because there is no carbon emitted during generation. Is that hard to understand?

That must really worry you since you are so concerned about the planet running out of CO2 and it will stop raining if we don't keep burning coal! LOL

Making bonehead flat earther statements like that disqualifies you from being take seriously.

Are you still regressing to all the farm solar PV systems across Canada and on my farm are imaginary? Wow that really is an effective debate winning idea there A5. Have you been a member of toastmasters flat earth club for long?

As far as the amount of additional costs of the carbon tax for building, transporting and installing a solar PV system the amount is currently really small compared to massive run up of energy costs in the fossil fuel market and other inflationary influences. And the cost of solar PV continues to come down for utility scale projects.

Amortized over the 25-30 year lifetime it will be of little importance.

More bad news in Alberta for you A5....It looks like Trans Canada is building a solar PV project. You probably will get less rain now! Better get more crop insurance in your plans. LOL

TC Energy to spend $146-million to build solar power project in Alberta
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TC Energy Corp. TRP-T +2.07%increase
says it is spending $146-million to build its first Canadian solar power project.

The company says the Saddlebrook solar project will be located near Aldersyde, Alta., south of Calgary.

It will have the capacity to generate 81 megawatts, enough energy to power 20,000 homes annually.

TC Energy says it has obtained all regulatory approvals and permits and construction is expected to be finished next year.

During the construction phase, the company says the project will involve about 140 workers.

Two full-time TC Energy employees will work at the facility once it is in operation.

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Meanwhile while hardworking tax payers have to deal with ever more tax load brought to you by the Liberals and NDP , their friends smiling ear to ear ….