Serious stuff in Ukraine

[furrowtickler]

You guys are absolutely hilarious. And wildly misinformed.

Watching the MSM for your news even after all thats happened in the past 2 yrs.

Agstar, why dont you build an under ground bunker, then you are safe from covid and putin. Win Win

Jazz I agree on a few things , but Putin let this drag on far too long , so either he is completely fubard or this is just a precursor to what is coming , something is terribly strange about all of this , only time will tell and thousands of innocent people killed … neither a good situation
Again this is a war for your energy dollar being played out , regardless the side your on , kids and grandchildren will pay for this insanity and it needs to stop soon but it won’t because the elite don’t give afook about “us”

Many families have been completely destroyed in the Ukraine, I hate the political climate of it all but this needs to end now before it destroys us all .
Absolutely no doubt Zelenski is just a pawn in the whole energy war but we as Canadians need to say enough before we all lose everything

[agstar77]

yes, Putin threatening nukes is hilarious. I will let the rest of the posters assess your sanity.

[furrowtickler]

yes, Putin threatening nukes is hilarious. I will let the rest of the posters assess your sanity.

Biden essentially did the same thing recently
The insanity needs to end already

[jazz]

Want the conflict to end, then listen to the people calling it like it is. Elon Musk pitched a proposal today and was told by Ukraine to F.O.

Russia has been telling the west since 2005 to stop that grifter alliance Nato from encroaching on its territory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5m8m9RNxjw

US moves nuclear weapons around all the time. Its meaningless MSM fear mongering. But it sure could escalate if we dont get some adults in the room pretty fast.

[TOM4CWB]

Obviously Jazz a demented mind Putin, that is set on the reconstruction of the old USSR… in 2022… will not succeed…



Dementia…Putin’s loss of all rational reality… The UN , China, India, all told Putin to stop…this is obviously the threatening of a suicide mission…

Biden is 100x more coherent now than Putin…

What total insanity…

[shtferbrains]

They won't need a train to deliver battlefield nukes.

ICBM'S don't need a train to get to their destination either.

[WiltonRanch]

What has been said if any tactical nukes are used will mean the complete destruction of all Russian military in Ukraine and Crimea by nato and USA. Maybe Russia will then show off their su57 if it actually exists. What seems more plausible is Russia will try to blow up all power infrastructure in the winter to make Ukrainians suffer. That’s a mongol tactic which Russian military doctrine is all about.

[sumdumguy]

I thought US, England, Germany, etc had such great intelligence and technological strategic weaponry, how could they not have put a lid on Putine yet?

[WiltonRanch]

I thought US, England, Germany, etc had such great intelligence and technological strategic weaponry, how could they not have put a lid on Putine yet?

It’s a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation. They go in too soon you turn more against you. Go in later after the situation is gets worse but more are supportive. This deal will end with Putin taken out and a humiliating retreat or a full scale war.

[shtferbrains]

Putin is sending soviet military surplus still with 1970 era t-72 tanks which wasnt a bad tank 40 to 50 yrs ago. Still takes 3 to 5 javelin hits at 175k each ...wait till they bring In the new t-14 armata tanks or the new su-57 fixed wing aircraft. truth is... nato is fighting soviet era technology while depleting there own industrial war machine. The real military is waiting for when the real shit hits the fan.

Didn't Putin's best friend's forever trade those SU-57'S and T-80 tanks in on some really,really nice yachts?

Nobody told Putin.
He didn't care as long as the kickback came.

[TOM4CWB]

Didn't Putin's best friend's forever trade those SU-57'S and T-80 tanks in on some really,really nice yachts?

Nobody told Putin.
He didn't care as long as the kickback came.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/our-children-are-not-fertilizer-why-protests-in-chechnya-and-dagestan-should-trouble-moscow-172813404.html

'Our children are not fertilizer': Why protests in Chechnya and Dagestan should trouble Moscow
Alexander Nazaryan
Alexander Nazaryan·Senior White House Correspondent
Mon, October 3, 2022, 11:28 AM

WASHINGTON — When the Russian invasion of Ukraine first began, Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov vowed loyalty and military support for the Kremlin. In bellicose (and frequently deceptive) social media posts, Kadyrov and his military commanders sought to use legends of Chechen military ferocity — embedded deep in the Russian psyche — as a countermeasure to the images of a valiant Ukrainian resistance.

But when it came to sending more Chechen young men to the front last week, Kadyrov made a show of defying the Kremlin, which had just announced a “partial mobilization” of 300,000 troops. Chechen conscription targets had been “overfulfilled,” he claimed, in what was widely seen as an effort to blunt popular discontent over a military operation whose failures could no longer be disguised with blustery Telegram messages.

Russia’s war, fought by many Muslims and poor people

Discontent over the draft has extended beyond Chechnya. While many protests have taken place in the northern Caucasus, there have also been demonstrations in the Siberian city of Yakutsk and even in distant Vladivostok, near the border with North Korea.

Fury at the mobilization has been especially pronounced in Dagestan, which neighbors Chechnya and shares many of its cultural attributes. “I think Dagestan is going to become a hot spot for anti-mobilization protests going forward,” Russia expert Samuel Ramani told Yahoo News. “Unrest, sometimes, in one autonomous region can extend to others. These protests can move asymmetrically.”

“The first to be pushed to the front will be poor boys from Tatarstan, Buryatia, Chechnya, Dagestan and other minority regions,” London-based Russia analyst Jeff Hawn wrote on Twitter.

The mobilization highlights a reality that has become impossible to ignore. While being fought on Russia’s behalf, the war is devastating mostly poor families, many of them from Muslim or Turkic backgrounds, far from the nodes of power in Moscow and St. Petersburg, where wealthier families have long used connections and bribes to absolve sons of military service.

Despite the Kremlin’s Slavocentric emphasis, Russia is a multinational state; though it is dominated by population centers in the country’s west, the 5,600 miles from its European holdings to its Pacific coast contain a rich panoply of ethnicities, religions and cultures.


“Why are a lot of Muslims going to the army this way? Because they're poor," Paul Goble, a former high-ranking State Department expert on Soviet and Eurasian affairs, told Yahoo News. Enlisting men from dispossessed areas to act as replacement forces in the Ukrainian war seemed to involve little risk for an administration thoroughly oriented toward the country’s power elite.

Goble describes the Kremlin’s approach to the mobilization as having been conducted by Russian President Vladimir Putin under a cynical premise: “How do I carry this out so that few people in Moscow and St. Petersburg get rounded up?”

Yet the extent of the recent protests appears to suggest that the Kremlin misjudged how its mobilization order would be received in the areas it targeted. "This partial mobilization is not well planned and is likely to backfire," Goble told Yahoo News. “This is a classic Soviet approach. They should know better." In shows of solidarity, Muscovites and Petersburgers have also taken to the streets, where they have frequently encountered rough police tactics.

Instead of evenly distributing the war’s most obvious hardship — that is, military service, with its resulting risk of injury and death, especially in a military as poorly trained, prepared and led as Russia’s — the Kremlin instead concentrated those hardships in areas with few economic prospects and deepening social despair."... very interesting background... on Putin.. the Russian KGB bully...

War is always horrible... this one is particularly futile and pointless...

[shtferbrains]

In Viet Nam the evened that all out when the poor daftees took to fragging the privileged young officers that thought they were cannon fodder.

[furrowtickler]

Putin is a complete bastard , no doubt
But Zelenski is in the same fold as the Clintons , Epptstien , Obama , Trudeau . Schwab and Soros club …..don’t kid yourself even a bit

[helmach]

Didn't Putin's best friend's forever trade those SU-57'S and T-80 tanks in on some really,really nice yachts?

Nobody told Putin.
He didn't care as long as the kickback came.

?? explain please ??

[shtferbrains]

When Putin was making noise about rebuilding a mighty modern military his crony friends who got the contracts were all building multiple yachts that look like cruise ships.
He can roll lots of iron in but troopers have no boots.

Putin is not doing a rope-a-dope or sandbaging while he saves his best for last.
He can't go all in in Ukraine with everything he has or he is unprotected at home.
Think about all the dirty little far away wars the US wish the had never got into.
First Gulf War in and out like super heros.
Every other they
just got sucked deeper and deeper.
Enemy doesn't have to engage under your terms.
The longer it lasts the more futile it looks to the invading troopers.
End up working out of fire bases. Never enough troops to truly protect all the territory.
Same old same old.