Danielle Smith wins AB Premier

[Hamloc]

This is an answer from Danielle Smith in a recent interview with Jordan Peterson on the National Post talking about Justin Trudeau’s government:

“I think that there is, this is probably the most left wing Liberal government we have ever had….I got accustomed to seeing more moderate Liberals in those positions in the past, like Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin, which ran balanced budgets and surpluses and helped develop the economy. I mean, a Liberal who wants us to do well so they can steal our wealth is a Liberal government I can understand like, let’s scrap over who gets the benefit of wealth creation. A Liberal who wants to destroy wealth creation, and then think that you can have phoney wealth creation by printing money is somebody who I simply don’t understand….I think foundationally they just believe in central government planning, central government decision-making, central bureaucrats making all of the decisions printing money, and everything will be fine.”

I couldn’t agree more.

[jazz]

Commies in Manitoba seem to be coming around.

Churchill; LNG, Hydrogen, Grains and oil pucks.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/featured/2022/11/15/manitoba-open-to-shipping-lng-through-churchill

[chuckChuck]

Moe's message to the federal government is taxes kill the economy but he still has the fuel tax.

So how come the fuel tax doesn't kill the economy but the carbon tax does? LOL

And the carbon tax is rebated in a large amounts directly to average consumers where as the provincial fuel tax is not except for this years $500 vote buying refund.

One of Moe's own commissioned study from a few years back on the impact of carbon taxes showed a very small impact on GDP when you count all the investments and economic activity made to reduce carbon emissions.

He didn't like that one so it was shelved and the last one he only mentioned the costs and none of the benefits that come back to the economy. Economists like Trevor Tombe from the U of C said it was crap.

Moe is like Trump who depends on the big lie and supporters who don't know the difference.

"On Tuesday, the provincial government released a policy paper titled Drawing the Line: Defending Saskatchewan's Economic Autonomy.

The 18-page document lists four options for the province to increase its autonomy, but the first section contains a claim that nine federal climate change policies will cost the economy $111 billion by 2035. The government said the provincial Ministry of Finance did the cost analysis.

University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe said the government's analysis is well off the mark.

"The headline estimate here of $8.8 billion on average per year is massive, suggesting that federal climate policy will shrink Saskatchewan's economy by nearly 10 per cent, which is insane and completely un-credible."

Tombe said the government's analysis makes a lot of assumptions while also omitting several factors.

"They estimate [the federal carbon tax] will have a cost to Saskatchewan between now and 2035 of approximately $25 billion. But with that policy, they are ignoring that the revenue that it raises is not lit on fire. [It is] returned to Saskatchewan residents through these lump sum credits that people now receive quarterly," he said.

"Right there alone, the estimate put forward by the Saskatchewan government ignores the rebates and so that makes the cost of that particular policy [in the paper] way larger than it actually is."

[Hamloc]

Moe's message to the federal government is taxes kill the economy but he still has the fuel tax.

So how come the fuel tax doesn't kill the economy but the carbon tax does? LOL

And the carbon tax is rebated in a large amounts directly to average consumers where as the provincial fuel tax is not except for this years $500 vote buying refund.

One of Moe's own commissioned study from a few years back on the impact of carbon taxes showed a very small impact on GDP when you count all the investments and economic activity made to reduce carbon emissions.

He didn't like that one so it was shelved and the last one he only mentioned the costs and none of the benefits that come back to the economy. Economists like Trevor Tombe from the U of C said it was crap.

Moe is like Trump who depends on the big lie and supporters who don't know the difference.

"On Tuesday, the provincial government released a policy paper titled Drawing the Line: Defending Saskatchewan's Economic Autonomy.

The 18-page document lists four options for the province to increase its autonomy, but the first section contains a claim that nine federal climate change policies will cost the economy $111 billion by 2035. The government said the provincial Ministry of Finance did the cost analysis.

University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe said the government's analysis is well off the mark.

"The headline estimate here of $8.8 billion on average per year is massive, suggesting that federal climate policy will shrink Saskatchewan's economy by nearly 10 per cent, which is insane and completely un-credible."

Tombe said the government's analysis makes a lot of assumptions while also omitting several factors.

"They estimate [the federal carbon tax] will have a cost to Saskatchewan between now and 2035 of approximately $25 billion. But with that policy, they are ignoring that the revenue that it raises is not lit on fire. [It is] returned to Saskatchewan residents through these lump sum credits that people now receive quarterly," he said.

"Right there alone, the estimate put forward by the Saskatchewan government ignores the rebates and so that makes the cost of that particular policy [in the paper] way larger than it actually is."

Chuck2 please explain to me what benefit is a tax that according to the government 80% of taxpayers will receive back as much or more than they payed and the other 20%, those harvesting and transporting the commodities required to live and build our societies, where there really isn’t an alternative to fossil fuels, pay a significant amount of tax. What is the benefit? The U.S. is projecting it will reduce C02 emissions without a carbon tax, why do we need this tax?

Personally I think it is a perfect example of how Justin Trudeau governs. The appearance of doing something while really accomplishing nothing!!

[littledoggie]

[chuckChuck]

https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/sask-politics/economists-scorch-moes-climate-cost-analysis-in-autonomy-paper

Economists scorch Moe’s climate cost analysis in autonomy paper

One economist says the paper looks like “a transparent attempt to undermine support for climate change policies.”
Author of the article:
Jeremy Simes
Publishing date:
Oct 13, 2022 • October 13, 2022 • 4 minute read

Premier Scott Moe is standing by the government’s math after some economists say cost estimates outlined in his autonomy paper don’t add up.

Moe’s paper, which was created by Ministry of Finance officials, states federal climate policies could cost Saskatchewan $111 billion by 2035, but some economists suggest that number is too high because it fails to account for carbon tax rebates and ignores realities over the use of electric vehicles.
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“Overall, it looks like a transparent attempt to undermine support for climate change policies rather than a serious cost-benefit analysis,” said Joel Bruneau, the head of the University of Saskatchewan’s economics department. “They pretend that the federal carbon tax is not refunded to the province. It is.”

When asked why carbon tax rebates were not included in the analysis, Moe told reporters on Wednesday, “It doesn’t actually go back to who is ultimately paying it.”

He said the Ministry of Finance’s estimates are “bang on.”

“You’ll have economists that will say they should be higher, they should be lower,” Moe said. “We asked the Ministry of Finance to do a financial dive into what are the costs that are coming out of these nine policies.”

Along with Bruneau, University of Regina assistant professor in economics Brett Dolter and University of Calgary economics professor Trevor Tombe agreed the policy paper fails to mention the rebates and doesn’t account for savings associated with switching to electric vehicles.

Dolter characterized the government’s claims as “half-truths,” arguing the province is misleading the public because the analysis does not account for the benefits of going green.

Tombe said even though climate policies will cost the government, it won’t be as high as $111 billion. Costs should be “tenths of a per cent” overtime, he said, not 10 per cent of the province’s economy.

The finance ministry had said the carbon tax could cost the province $24.7 billion by 2035 — or $1.9 billion annually — but Tombe explained 90 per cent of the tax is rebated back to people in Saskatchewan.

The province based its estimates on a tax of $65 per tonne in 2023 with increases of $15 per tonne, reaching $170 per tonne in 2030 and then $245 per tonne by 2035.

“They’re presuming implicitly that that revenue is lit on fire. And it’s clearly not,” Tombe said. “This is just an egregious error and then an incredibly misleading way to approach estimating the cost of federal climate policy.”

He added, “I think there are several aspects of the analysis that are incredibly and transparently weak.”

In addition to not including the climate rebate, Bruneau said that while he agrees there are costs associated with expanding electric vehicles (EVs), the province doesn’t mention the savings that come when people switch to EVs from conventional gas vehicles.

The government’s paper assumes 40 per cent of Saskatchewan’s vehicle fleet will be electric by 2035 should Ottawa require that all new light-duty vehicle sales be EVs by that year.

It states the average cost to purchase an EV at an average premium will be $18,500 per vehicle, noting there will be extra costs that come with installing charging stations in homes and reinforcing the electrical grid.

In total, the province says switching to EVs will cost $10.3 billion by 2035 — or $789.6 million annually.

Even with these costs, Bruneau said consumers will pay less in gas when they switch to an EV.

Without the policy, people will be changing to EVs regardless, he added, noting the province needs to be prepared. Major vehicle manufacturers have said they will stop making fuel-based cars in the 2030s, he said.

Dolter said he would give back an assignment “dripping with red ink” if a student handed in a cost-analysis paper that did not include the savings.

The government’s paper also states “fertilizer use mandates” will cost Saskatchewan $19.3 billion by 2035, but the federal government has said it’s not mandating fertilizer use.

Moe said the government didn’t include Bill C-69, noting costs associated with that legislation would make the overall estimate higher.

However, Dolter and Bruneau said costs associated with climate change should also be taken into account.

“The white paper and climate policy analysis is likely influenced by both climate insincerity and good old fashioned prairie populism,” Dolter said. “People deserve honest policy debates.”

Moe said the government is committed to addressing environmental concerns.

jsimes@postmedia.com

[jazz]

Ha, US of S economists, might as well quote a crack addict.

Moe is on the right track especially if left heads are exploding.

[Guest]

I’m going to try again chucky
The carbon tax is on everything over and over and over again , plus GST
Gas tax is used to build roads ,it only gets taxed on the liter once
Carbon tax is used to finance liberal scams
If you think you get most of your carbon tax back you are delusional
Your lucky Pierre has your back on carbon tax on grain drying
Even Justines new husband could see that was insane to say the least and he supported Pierre’s bill as did the bloc , only 5 greasy corrupt “pig at the trough” liberals voted against it
Danielle has lit a fire under the west’s ass
And you and your liberals cronies have a right to be very afraid
What CBC does to her on a daily basis is sad and shameful

[Guest]

BC has had a carbon tax for a decade and its done zero.

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Oh ,I don’t know
It has definitely supported some pretty left wing governments that think money falls from the sky
You know , the same kind that think it’s ok to dump raw human shit into the ocean laced with every drug imaginable

[chuckChuck]

Moe is a liar and doesn't want to do anything that might hurt his friends in the oil and gas industry.

Meanwhile the oil and gas industry which is based mostly somewhere else than Saskatchewan is extracting massive profits far exceeding any carbon tax on the backs of consumers and all we hear is crickets?

Meanwhile in Great Britain the Conservatives have put a windfall tax on the oil industry to help out consumers.