Doctors say 'fossil fuel addiction' kills, starves millions

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So flipper show us the credible science from a credible source that says humans have little influence on climate change and that rising greenhouse gases don't matter. We are waiting.

Chuck, quick gas lighting. No one anywhere claims that rising CO2 doesn't matter.
The evidence that rising CO2 has increased yields and drought tolerance and water use efficiency and caused greening of the Earth is irrefutable.

[chuckChuck]

Tell Flipper that! He seems to think humans have no influence over climate.

Glad to see that you agree that humans are changing the climate with increasing CO2 levels! You are making progress!

[jazz]

Tell Flipper that! He seems to think humans have no influence over climate.

Humans have no influence over climate. They are apparently easily influences by marxist propaganda, just like you chuck.



During the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today.

The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.

The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm.

[Guest]

Don’t bring facts into the discussion *****

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Humans have no influence over climate. They are apparently easily influences by marxist propaganda, just like you chuck.

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During the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today.

The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.

The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm.

What is quite funny about the whole movement is that throughout the majority of Earth's geological history, CO2 and temperature have been inversely correlated. Only when you cherry pick a very very short period During the modern era ( and throw out or ignore or adjust all of the inconvenient data points)can you find any positive correlation.
It is however mostly true that higher temperatures will result in higher levels of CO2, at least on short time scales.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Tell Flipper that! He seems to think humans have no influence over climate.

Glad to see that you agree that humans are changing the climate with increasing CO2 levels! You are making progress!

Actually, I didn't say anything about climate, as you would have known if you had have actually read my post.
But it is good to see you not denying the life-giving benefits of increased CO2 which I listed in my post.

[blackpowder]

[QUOTE=chuckChuck;552138]Tell Flipper that! He seems to think humans have no influence over climate.

Haven't heard anyone called that since the Thalidomide kid in school.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

[QUOTE=blackpowder;552192]

Tell Flipper that! He seems to think humans have no influence over climate.

Haven't heard anyone called that since the Thalidomide kid in school.

Honestly I hadn't heard any of the insults and name calling coming from chuck since I left elementary school. Even the most immature bullies in real life outgrew that by the age of 10.

[fjlip]

I need to do it again...



If you think you are smarter than the majority!



Thanks guys, suffer CC

[WiltonRanch]

So flipper show us the credible science from a credible source that says humans have little influence on climate change and that rising greenhouse gases don't matter. We are waiting.

Alvin Laws gonna come and kick some sense into an intolerant old creep like you.

[chuckChuck]

Climate myth:
"Climate's changed before"

Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)"

Basic Answer:
Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.
Abrupt vs slow change.

Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.

But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.

Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.

So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.



https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-basic.htm

[jazz]

Mass extinctions. Are you serious. Took you 3 days to find that article.

The sheer diversity and amount of life on this planet in previous eons dwarfs what we have today. Maybe look up the Cambrian explosion. Its why we have oil deposits now.

Read my data post and weep in your coffee chuck. CO2 uncorrelated to temp clearly, CO2 higher numerous times before man was even on the scene. CO2 currently at one of the lowest points in earths history.

Are you denying those facts. Maybe you can get a job with the Stop Oil crowd.

[chuckChuck]

https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

Human Activity Is the Cause of Increased Greenhouse Gas Concentrations
So NASA, NOAA are wrong? And the climate scientists are making it all up? LOL Give up!

Jazz you can say what you want but only the flat earthers will believe you!

Over the last century, burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil has increased the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2). This increase happens because the coal or oil burning process combines carbon with oxygen in the air to make CO2. To a lesser extent, clearing of land for agriculture, industry, and other human activities has increased concentrations of greenhouse gases.
How do we know what greenhouse gas and temperature levels were in the distant past?

The industrial activities that our modern civilization depends upon have raised atmospheric carbon dioxide levels by nearly 50% since 1750. This increase is due to human activities, because scientists can see a distinctive isotopic fingerprint in the atmosphere.

In its Sixth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, composed of scientific experts from countries all over the world, concluded that it is unequivocal that the increase of CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere over the industrial era is the result of human activities and that human influence is the principal driver of many changes observed across the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, do you understand anything about the mechanisms that cause CO2 to rise when the temperature rises? A hint, it wasn't because our single celled ancestors were burning additional fossil fuels to fight off the mild weather.

[chuckChuck]

Going to give us more climate denier bunk to prove NOAA and NASA wrong? LOL

Going to tell us again we are going to run out of carbon dioxide if we don't burn fossil fuels?