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[AlbertaFarmer5]

Of course it was a slightly screwball event led by bigger screwballs.

Yet we were all supposed to believe that this group of people had a realistic sinister plot to overthrow the government.
Edit to add, I admit, I had the faint hope that it would morph into something much bigger.

[agstar77]

Always interesting to witness how people see things differently……..

Still living the big lie are we.

[rumrocks]

Not hearing anything from the Keyboard Warriors of Agriville regarding the last two days of witness testimonies at the hearing regarding the upstanding organizers of the Ottawa Protest.

I think you're being too hard on the protesters, this was a random sample of citizens from all across Canada who had simply had enough of the liberal government. Organizing mistakes were made, lots of moving parts and remember all but a few had never been involved in a protest before, so it was learn as you go for them.
Non-professionals.
However the police forces have been training since the 60's on how to handle protests and crowd control. Advantage police. Professionals.

The government had numerous ministers (professional) who could have met with the truckers convoy, but if the PM (professional) had met with 4 or 5 selected protesters this commission and all the millions spent on policing would have been unnecessary. More costly mistakes.

So if you think the truckers didn't sound, act or look as shiny as the uniformed police or the MP's it's because they weren't, but they have everybody's attention then and still do. Good on them.

[agstar77]

I think you're being too hard on the protesters, this was a random sample of citizens from all across Canada who had simply had enough of the liberal government. Organizing mistakes were made, lots of moving parts and remember all but a few had never been involved in a protest before, so it was learn as you go for them.
Non-professionals.
However the police forces have been training since the 60's on how to handle protests and crowd control. Advantage police. Professionals.

The government had numerous ministers (professional) who could have met with the truckers convoy, but if the PM (professional) had met with 4 or 5 selected protesters this commission and all the millions spent on policing would have been unnecessary. More costly mistakes.

So if you think the truckers didn't sound, act or look as shiny as the uniformed police or the MP's it's because they weren't, but they have everybody's attention then and still do. Good on them.

The first problem you have is the fact this was an occupation not a peaceful protest. I sincerely doubt they would have responded to a meeting without getting some of their demands met. When one of your demands is the resignation of the government, negotiations are pointless. There were just too many loose cannons

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I think you're being too hard on the protesters, this was a random sample of citizens from all across Canada who had simply had enough of the liberal government. Organizing mistakes were made, lots of moving parts and remember all but a few had never been involved in a protest before, so it was learn as you go for them.
Non-professionals.
However the police forces have been training since the 60's on how to handle protests and crowd control. Advantage police. Professionals.

The government had numerous ministers (professional) who could have met with the truckers convoy, but if the PM (professional) had met with 4 or 5 selected protesters this commission and all the millions spent on policing would have been unnecessary. More costly mistakes.

So if you think the truckers didn't sound, act or look as shiny as the uniformed police or the MP's it's because they weren't, but they have everybody's attention then and still do. Good on them.

The fact that we even need to discuss the existence of professional protesters explains a lot. No one should be surprised that hard-working blue collar taxpaying citizens don't have any experience with organizing a protest.
While another segment of the population are quite literally paid professional protesters.

[rumrocks]

The first problem you have is the fact this was an occupation not a peaceful protest. I sincerely doubt they would have responded to a meeting without getting some of their demands met. When one of your demands is the resignation of the government, negotiations are pointless. There were just too many loose cannons

i don't think we could call it an occupation if they had met within days of arrival, nobody knows on what day it turned from a visit to occupation.
Yes a demand to drop the border vaccine restriction was a huge part of the reason they were protesting which eventually came to pass anyway. Canada was one of the few countries that still had that restriction in place. Most people thought a character flaw may have been responsible for the delayed opening and not the ghost science that the government swore by.
Some protestors did want the unpopular government to step aside but I think cooler heads would have prevailed when choosing your negotiating team and left the crowd dragging the lariat behind them at the camp fire.
I still think the government missed their opportunity.

[agstar77]

i don't think we could call it an occupation if they had met within days of arrival, nobody knows on what day it turned from a visit to occupation.
Yes a demand to drop the border vaccine restriction was a huge part of the reason they were protesting which eventually came to pass anyway. Canada was one of the few countries that still had that restriction in place. Most people thought a character flaw may have been responsible for the delayed opening and not the ghost science that the government swore by.
Some protestors did want the unpopular government to step aside but I think cooler heads would have prevailed when choosing your negotiating team and left the crowd dragging the lariat behind them at the camp fire.
I still think the government missed their opportunity.

Booked hotel rooms for a month among other points. Only a demonstration. Once they parked all their trucks the jig was up.

[rumrocks]

Booked hotel rooms for a month among other points. Only a demonstration. Once they parked all their trucks the jig was up.

There's two ways you can deal with that information if you were the government knowing that the truckers are there for the long haul:

Show the people of Canada that the govt isn't the arrogant, my way or the highway group that we've all come to know and bring in a series of meetings over a number of days with the protesters. Negotiations do work if you have the right people at the table. Even if both sides failed, govt should of tried.

Or you can portray the protestors through the state owned media as evil anti-vaxxers, racists, misogynists who stole food from the homeless, and who terrorized women on their way back from burning down apartment buildings. Knowing that the truckers had many days to do these crimes, and after pleading from the homeless gentleman who's food was stolen, the government would then ride in on their horses, save Ottawa and the rest of Canada and their polling numbers would jump.

[Guest]

There's two ways you can deal with that information if you were the government knowing that the truckers are there for the long haul:

Show the people of Canada that the govt isn't the arrogant, my way or the highway group that we've all come to know and bring in a series of meetings over a number of days with the protesters. Negotiations do work if you have the right people at the table. Even if both sides failed, govt should of tried.

Or you can portray the protestors through the state owned media as evil anti-vaxxers, racists, misogynists who stole food from the homeless, and who terrorized women on their way back from burning down apartment buildings. Knowing that the truckers had many days to do these crimes, and after pleading from the homeless gentleman who's food was stolen, the government would then ride in on their horses, save Ottawa and the rest of Canada and their polling numbers would jump.

jeez, it looks strange when you actually see it in print ????

[biglentil]

[foragefarmer]

The fact that we even need to discuss the existence of professional protesters explains a lot. No one should be surprised that hard-working blue collar taxpaying citizens don't have any experience with organizing a protest.
While another segment of the population are quite literally paid professional protesters.

What type of protestor were you AB5, when you participated at the border blockade at Coutts and prevented hard-working blue-collar taxpaying citizens from their day-to-day business activities?

Without a doubt, you are exactly the same type as to those who participated in the railway blockades of Feb 2020.

[foragefarmer]

There's two ways you can deal with that information if you were the government knowing that the truckers are there for the long haul:

Show the people of Canada that the govt isn't the arrogant, my way or the highway group that we've all come to know and bring in a series of meetings over a number of days with the protesters. Negotiations do work if you have the right people at the table. Even if both sides failed, govt should of tried.

Or you can portray the protestors through the state owned media as evil anti-vaxxers, racists, misogynists who stole food from the homeless, and who terrorized women on their way back from burning down apartment buildings. Knowing that the truckers had many days to do these crimes, and after pleading from the homeless gentleman who's food was stolen, the government would then ride in on their horses, save Ottawa and the rest of Canada and their polling numbers would jump.

Based on the testimonies so far, which individuals from each splinter group of protesters should the government of Canada negotiated with Rumrocks?