EV back then?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

don't think it sunk in , lol

I don't think anything sinks in with this one.

[chuckChuck]

And the flat earthers don't even read the whole article! They can only think of the negative because Canada is a shithole country don't you know. LOL

https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/diesel-solar-wind-electricity-remote-Iqaluit-QEC-NNC

"Remote communities take action

Despite these challenges, some remote Canadian communities are beginning to slash their diesel use.

In Old Crow, Yukon, a community about 130 kilometres north of the Arctic Circle, a solar project provides about 25 per cent of the electricity and reduces the amount of diesel they need to fly in by almost 200,000 litres. The community continues to rely on its own isolated grid.

After construction was completed in 2021, the diesel power plant went silent during the summer months for the first time in 50 years.

Jay Massie describes it as “a beautiful silence in the community.” Most importantly, he says, the lights are still on.

He’s the vice-president of northern development and Indigenous relations with ATCO Electric, which built the project and buys the electricity. He’s also a member of the Ta’an Kwäch’än Council in Whitehorse.
A close-up shot of solar panels.
A sign on the side of a building welcomes visitors to the community of Old Crow, Yukon.
Old Crow's solar farm is made up of over 2,000 panels, a 616kW battery energy storage system and micro-grid controller to help power the community of about 235 people. The panels provide about a quarter of the community's electricity needs. (CBC)

There were challenges with construction in such a secluded location, he said, but the solar facility is working as expected. Similar projects are now being designed for three other remote communities in the territory.

The Vuntut Gwitchin First Nation owns the facility and earned about $400,000 in profits in the first year, which was re-invested in the community. Utility rates have remained unchanged.

Batteries are overcoming any intermittency issues, Massie says, and storage technology will have an important role to play for years to come as renewable energy expands to other remote communities in Canada.

There was a time when I didn’t believe 25 per cent [renewables] was going to happen. So yes, I do believe at some point 100 per cent is going to be able to happen from renewables.
Jay Massie, vice-president of northern development and Indigenous relations with ATCO Electric

For now, renewables can help reduce diesel use, he says, and maybe one day they will allow communities to shut off their diesel power plants entirely.

“There was a time when I didn’t believe 25 per cent [renewables] was going to happen. So yes, I do believe at some point 100 per cent is going to be able to happen from renewables,” he said.

“The key item in these communities is how we store that energy so it’s able to be used right when we need it.”

In Old Crow, the community is now exploring the development of a wind farm."

[chuckChuck]

Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?

Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL

[blackpowder]

A population of 221 in 2016, with solar available part of the year.
A start to be sure, but more of a research size than a commercial test.
And limitless space for the solar/wind generation units for a fairly small demand.
Sorry, looks like nuclear the solution so far.

[Guest]

Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?

Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL

Or trying to figure out when their CWB instalment is coming on their grain they sold them 9 months ago that joe public thought was a subsidy

[Guest]

You neglected to mention $6.5 million price tag funded by govt’s (taxpayers)
I bet they haven’t calculated in $520000/year interest into this feel good story

[rumrocks]

Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL

It'll be a cheap Christmas for me, most of the pages in my catalogue are gone, but I do see an Etch-a-Sketch for $5.39, the nephew might like.

[chuckChuck]

I see Case is firmly stuck in the past and still can't move on from issues that are long in the past. Kinda like most of his other thinking.

[Guest]

like trying to resurrect the windmills that were on every Sask farm in the 30's & 40's , and were scrapped when reliable power came about

[Partners]

like trying to resurrect the windmills that were on every Sask farm in the 30's & 40's , and were scrapped when reliable power came about

It's easy to brain wash people who didn't live through it..
Same people who are banning plastic and going paper.
Thought we were all about saving the trees yrs ago?
Another full circle..

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?

Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL

I'm actually on your side on this one. In a community with no connection to the broader grid, that relies on diesel fuel being brought in by ship, or barge or ice roads, or worst case, by air, anything that can reduce diesel usage is a benefit.

Turning off the generators in the middle of summer, and relying on solar is great.

Where we diverge, is using the grid as storage.

The articles I read indicated that a homeowner can sell their solar generation to the diesel powered grid and buy it back at par throughout the year. The utility scale solar wants to do the same thing.

Can you see any issues with this arrangement in a latitude with almost no daylight for months on end, and almost 24 hour dayight for months on end?

So everyone in town installs enough solar panels to generate their annual needs. ANd they sell all that surplus back to the grid all summer. Then they all draw it back out again at the same price all winter. No one pays any net power bills, just a credit all summer, and use it up all winter.

Who pays for the diesel fuel?

It's a dog chasing its own tail.

Any guesses as to what time of year has the highest electricity consumption in a cold dark place that uses electric heat?
Any guesses how much electicity you need in the summer in a place with almost 24 hour dayight, no need for AC, no need for heating, and no industry?


It only works if we accept that the solar being sold back into the grid has zero value, since there is no viable scalable economical grid scale storage. And almost no value for the solar power during the time of year when the sun is shining.

But if we go that route, then the payback on the solar installation makes the diesel fuel look cheap.

It works great if a few percent of the users want to do this. It is completely impossible on any scale larger than that.

Remember when we did the math on the cost of energy storage for seasonal use? Seasonal storage cannot and does not exist.

[Guest]

I wonder why they didn’t go wind instead ?
I worked in the NWT and the wind never stops there
So much so that even on a sunny day blowing snow nearly blocks the sun when it makes an appearance