EV back then?

[chuckChuck]

Chuck2 there is that “capacity” word again. The question is how much actually usable production does that translate into and are they able to produce electricity when it is most needed?

Well in the case of the proposed renewable storage of hydrogen and ammonia plants, the production will depend on the wind and sun resources available every day. That will be site specific.

And the customers can use the hydrogen and ammonia however they want when needed.

But your assumption that intermittent renewables can't be stored or provide usable energy for other purposes will fade away over next few years and decades.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Well in the case of the proposed renewable storage of hydrogen and ammonia plants, the production will depend on the wind and sun resources available every day. That will be site specific.

And the customers can use the hydrogen and ammonia however they want when needed.

But your assumption that intermittent renewables can't be stored or provide usable energy for other purposes will fade away over next few years and decades.

I hope you are right, and I can admit that I am wrong when these projects are up and running.

And if they can do it at a full life cycle cost that isn't multiple times higher than natural gas, that will just be a bonus.

I'll bet my money the same way Wilton does, that this turns into yet another government sponsored eastern Canadian boondoggle of epic proportions. Producing products for which there is no market, sold into a region which won't have an industrial base by the time this is completed, at a cost which won't be remotely able to compete with cheap Russian gas by that time.

[chuckChuck]

Where have we heard "this will never work" before? LOL It's the mantra of Canada is a shit hole club.

Did you look in your backyard A5?

The private sector is building wind and solar facilities at a record pace in Alberta. I guess they're spending good money because the economics are bad and it doesn't work? LOL Go figure?

Ammonia and hydrogen are the next steps.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As I said Chuck, I will give this project the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise..

Now, can you address my concerns about energy storage in the remote Arctic communities using solar power? What existing technologies would be applicable an economical in those circumstances? You are the one who brought this up, the proceeded to provide a lists of pie in the sky storage technologies in reference to using solar in the arctic. Now you seem to be avoiding the topic completely.

If there was ever a place where renewable energy and energy storage should make economic sense, this is it. If there exists season long storage technology that works anywhere else in the world economically, then it will most definitely work economically in these places.

[Sheepwheat]

Where have we heard "this will never work" before? LOL It's the mantra of Canada is a shit hole club.

Did you look in your backyard A5?

The private sector is building wind and solar facilities at a record pace in Alberta. I guess they're spending good money because the economics are bad and it doesn't work? LOL Go figure?

Ammonia and hydrogen are the next steps.

He LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT HE IS OPEN MINDED ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS MIND CHANGED. GET LOST ALREADY.

To everyone else. Stop feeding this bottom feeding troll. That’s all he is doing. Trying to get a rise, trying to annoy. How do I know that? Because literally, there is no one this dumb. At least I haven’t met anyone who is. You know, in real life.

Thanks.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

He LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT HE IS OPEN MINDED ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS MIND CHANGED. GET LOST ALREADY.

To everyone else. Stop feeding this bottom feeding troll. That’s all he is doing. Trying to get a rise, trying to annoy. How do I know that? Because literally, there is no one this dumb. At least I haven’t met anyone who is. You know, in real life.

Thanks.

I used to believe the same thing. That no one could actually be this ill informed and ignorant in real life. That this is just a show to get attention online. But I think he really is this dumb.

[Hamloc]

Well in the case of the proposed renewable storage of hydrogen and ammonia plants, the production will depend on the wind and sun resources available every day. That will be site specific.

And the customers can use the hydrogen and ammonia however they want when needed.

But your assumption that intermittent renewables can't be stored or provide usable energy for other purposes will fade away over next few years and decades.

So your defence of the productive capabilities of solar and wind is using an industrial offshore wind installation built to produce ammonia and hydrogen for export?! Hmmm, how does that work for providing our electricity needs within Canada on a daily basis?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So your defence of the productive capabilities of solar and wind is using an industrial offshore wind installation built to produce ammonia and hydrogen for export?! Hmmm, how does that work for providing our electricity needs within Canada on a daily basis?

All we have to do is build pipelines across Canada, including those remote northern settlements where Chuck insists renewable energy with storage is the answer, then send the hydrogen and ammonia through said pipelines, then build more facilities that can turn those products into useful energy. All at about 30% round trip energy efficiency at best. And that is before you put them into a pipeline and spend more energy transporting said products.
And we all know how easy it is to get approval to build new pipelines in this country. And all of the above are practically free to build.
And there are absolutely no technical issues with storing or transporting either hydrogen or ammonia.

[chuckChuck]

So you cant build hydrogen and ammonia plants in Alberta or Saskatchewan? LOL

[blackpowder]

Sorry Sheep ole buddy, Chuck ain't dumb. Gratified by fanaticism perhaps. Pissing into the wind pleases him as long as we all get wet.
Know your enemy. There are more listening to the bugle than know the bugler.
The message seemingly well received based on public direction.

[Partners]

[blackpowder]

I'm gonna go out on a limb.
It's possible somewhere in the next century or less, fusion will get better and better.
Making today's angst look like whale oil. The future is not in short sighted baloney for the next election win.
But a strong economy today for leading R&D in the future.
Wind and solar for small draw applications. Nuclear and hydro in the meantime. Fossilized solar energy will have to carry the world until then.
Just a thought.