Soverignty Acts

[jazz]

Thats some straight up bullshit you are serving chuck. CBC talking points. Tweety just showed you the services in this country are disproportionate. Quebec uses equalization for programs that AB doesnt even have.

And we built all those hydro dams for them just to skirt around equalization and now the carbon tax.

Tweety didnt even bring up that AB is pretty much holding up the CPP by itself but the CPP sees fit to invest in china instead of AB.

So clearly its a fail.

And if you ever had a capitalist bone in your body, you would know that productive people cant stand paying for the non productive who wont help themselves and then vote to hurt the very people helping them.

Funny how Sask equalization take coincided with the NDP and the NEP.

[tweety]

The mineral resource rich provinces have more fiscal capacity to raise revenues than most of the smaller provinces and Quebec.

Saskatchewan was at one time a have not province as well and received equalization. Manitoba still does.

The goal of equalization is to ensure that all Canadian provinces have the ability to deliver similar levels of programs so that the poorer provinces don't fall into an irreversible decline and fail to deliver similar levels of health care and education along with other social programs and services.

Since all provinces pay the same rate of federal tax and equalization is a federal program it is up to at least 7 provinces and the federal government to change it. Harper had his chance to make a case but only tweaked it.

I am not sure why the richest provinces think they are so hard done by because they have more GDP per capita and pay more federal tax.

Its like the rich neighbors who complain that they pay too much tax. Nobody feels sorry for those who are richer!

And resource rich provinces have every advantage when it comes to collecting more revenue if they want too. Instead they let a publically owned resource go for some of the lowest royalties in the world with little savings for the future.

Even Alaska does a better job and Norway sets the standard for fiscal prudence when it comes to managing one time resource revenue.

You touched on a lot of important topics. The biggest being why does Alberta legislate almost giving away Canada's resources. Build some refineries FFS. Build more Urea plants. That is another topic completely. It can also be viewed Alberta is squandering and missing so many opportunities with what they do have.

The hard thing to accept is Alberta and SK have resources owned by all Canadians - not just Albertans.

The flip side would be if AB and SK didn't have the majority of Canada's fossil resources, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[jazz]

You touched on a lot of important topics. The biggest being why does Alberta legislate almost giving away Canada's resources. Build some refineries FFS. Build more Urea plants. That is another topic completely. It can also be viewed Alberta is squandering and missing so many opportunities with what they do have.

The hard thing to accept is Alberta and SK have resources owned by all Canadians - not just Albertans.

The flip side would be if AB and SK didn't have the majority of Canada's fossil resources, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You have a lot to learn about industry. Just building something in the middle of nowhere has huge risks. Thats why all the refineries are located in a central hub in the US. We are too far away from the marketing centers and we dont have the connecting infrastructure. If a refinery is built, then it will need a dedicated take away pipeline that doesnt exist and probably never will the commies at the helm. Some of our customers like china specifically want raw bitumen (and canola seed). The offshore pipelines were the answer to refining as they would have become price swing facilities with little risk, but guess who shut that down.

Second of all, AB relies on US investment which is a capitalist venture. If we start doing the petrocanada thing up here where the govt gets its fingers in everything, that investment will flee.

And lastly Canadians are too broke and too stupid to invest in anything except their house or ukraine bonds.

[tweety]

You have a lot to learn about industry. Just building something in the middle of nowhere has huge risks. Thats why all the refineries are located in a central hub in the US. We are too far away from the marketing centers and we dont have the connecting infrastructure. If a refinery is built, then it will need a dedicated take away pipeline that doesnt exist and probably never will the commies at the helm. Some of our customers like china specifically want raw bitumen (and canola seed). The offshore pipelines were the answer to refining as they would have become price swing facilities with little risk, but guess who shut that down.

Second of all, AB relies on US investment which is a capitalist venture. If we start doing the petrocanada thing up here where the govt gets its fingers in everything, that investment will flee.

And lastly Canadians are too broke and too stupid to invest in anything except their house or ukraine bonds.

A post definitely from someone from Sk.

Sask has half the arable land in Canada. Are you saying there is no market for urea? Its also too bad just south of here in the US there is no market for urea either in those huge corn growing areas. Instead China is much closer.

the rest of Canada doesn't have a need for gasoline and diesel? So instead getting it piped to Texas, value added there, and back to Manitoba makes far more sense. The "we can't actually get paid for our resources" arguments are old and tired.

But then Alberta and Sk will complain even more that eq payments are too high.

The downside of equalization - there is less reason to make something of your have not province with welfare coming in.

[jazz]

What would you invest in tweety. A $50B refinery in northern AB at the very end of pipeline network to compete with refiners in TX, or a $5B pipeline to tidewater which automatically raises your crude differential by $20 a bbl.

There is an under utilized refinery in NB. We were trying to get the crude it then it has a ready made pipeline right back into central canada. Guess who quashed that and allowed Saudi tankers instead.

Economics is the master and investors are not thinking about equalization when they throw money at something.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

ventured here to rural issues for a look hmmm 4 pages this must be interesting.

what a interesting intelligent rational discussion by most participants well done tweety blackpowder ab5 and others

can of worms.

not the same but similar a great state in australia, west australia economic power house in many ways has sort of similar issues to west Canada carries burden of many royalty and gst payments to east of Aust.

Well said. I was going to make a similar comment.

It is such a pleasure to read a civil debate between some well informed posters, particularly Tweety and Blackpowder. Give and take, acknowledge when the other side has a valid point. Posters who don't degenerate into childish immature flat earth comments, insults and name calling whenever backed into a corner. Unlike the usual posters who never give an inch, and have never been wrong in their lives...

Thank You for showing how it should be done. Don't have to agree with either one of their positions, but have to respect their integrity and knowledge and humility.

I doubt Chuck, Agstar or Forage are taking notes though.

Thank you for showing how it should be done.

[agstar77]

This whole charade just political posturing by an inept politician. Alberta has always had these so - called rights to not enforce Federal regulations.

[WiltonRanch]

This whole charade just political posturing by an inept politician. Alberta has always had these so - called rights to not enforce Federal regulations.

Exactly. Far as I’m concerned if our provincial governments were truly invested in keeping federal involvement and meddling at bay they would set up the firewall as was discussed some time ago. It would be all be doable within the confines of the constitution and get far more done. This law is more about telling Trudeau and his minions to go screw themselves.

[jazz]

The legislation has much more definition at the provincial level. A proverbial shot across the bow so it’s been a useful exercise. Look how the eastern media lit their hair on fire this past week.

They hate how we make money but are scared to get cut off from it at the same time. It’s been amazing to watch the triggering.

And we have given Quebec ideas at the same time.

The powers that be are on notice if they give us Trudeau again the nuclear option is available.

[foragefarmer]

This whole charade just political posturing by an inept politician. Alberta has always had these so - called rights to not enforce Federal regulations.

Didn't we hear from the same choirboys on Agriville singing the same song regarding Alberta Sovereignty when Kenney first came to power.

Proves how desperate Smith really is in trying to defeat Notley, she threw up a hail-Mary with her Sovereignty Act and EVEN Trudeau was smart enough not to challenge her on it.

Then on Saturday Danielle back peddles ever so carefully in order to calm the masses without losing support from the base that gave her the overwhelming of 53% approval rating during the leadership race.

Rinse and repeat in about year!

[Hamloc]

This whole charade just political posturing by an inept politician. Alberta has always had these so - called rights to not enforce Federal regulations.

Quite true, provinces do have these rights. Please explain to me Agstar why so many in the media and government are losing their ##**?!

[Guest]

This whole charade just political posturing by an inept politician. Alberta has always had these so - called rights to not enforce Federal regulations.

I'm curious , if she is an inept politician, what in the world would you use to describe umm, ahh, umm, ahh ,, umm true dope?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'm curious , if she is an inept politician, what in the world would you use to describe umm, ahh, umm, ahh ,, umm true dope?

A heroic role model to be emulated and worshipped?

[sumdumguy]

It’s gonna be a step toward seceding from the tyrannical, “union”. It’s about time we stand up to the Eastern bullies.

[jazz]

Kudos to Smith, she is taking all the heat from the weaponized MSM and paid trolls.

Meanwhile sask just plowing ahead under the radar.