Alberta 2 grid alerts in 2 days

[Hamloc]

From Global news:”2nd grid alert within 24 hours briefly issued for Alberta on Wednesday afternoon”.

So both grid alerts occurred between the high demand period of 4-7 pm. Issues with low wind production, of course after 4 pm solar disappears and on Tuesday issues with a couple of generators. This morning at 7:39 am. Alberta was using 11236 megawatts. 74.1% was coming from natural gas at 8323 megawatts. Alberta has 10894 megawatt natural gas capacity. 2.36% was coming from wind and solar at 265 megawatts. Alberta has 3618 megawatts of wind capacity and 1138 megawatts of solar. We were importing 719 megawatts from Saskatchewan, Montana and BC.

Our federal government constantly pushes renewable energy. Environmentalists say solar and wind with battery back up is the answer. Explain to me with the above numbers when solar and wind would charge the batteries. Obviously solar would be producing once the sun comes up. But you require excess production to charge the batteries.

My neighbour put up a large solar array last summer. He runs large refrigeration units for his farm to plate chicken operation, so it made sense. Solar company told him the federal government would subsidize about 25% once it was completed. He applied once it was finished but was rejected, apparently the Feds are more interested in funding heat pumps in Atlantic Canada. Heat pumps that don’t produce any heat below -10 Celsius, I might add, so they won’t work year round in Alberta. Regardless he still thinks it will make sense, 14 years to pay it off.

[chuckChuck]

So Hamloc tell the whole story next time because you left out the generation derates, power reductions and an unplanned power outage but you blamed it all on renewables! And some of the problems occurred from the fossil fuel generation system. Typical UCP Albertan blinders on and manipulation of the facts.

"The company tweeted that there were a number of factors that led to the grid alert.

“Due to cold weather, low wind conditions, generator derates, power reductions and an unplanned outage, the AESO declared a Grid Alert at 4:47 p.m.,” it said. “Supply is tight but still meeting demand.”

[ajl]

Net zero lunacy has brought Alberta's grid dangerously close to collapse so have backup power ready. I noticed that since premier Smith has taken charge the net zero by 2035 has disappeared from the website. Alberta has shut in too much of its coal. Gennesee 3 is now listed as duel fuel and I hope that means that it can still use coal without NG being available otherwise we are at huge risk of blackouts during extreme cold.

[chuckChuck]

Dont get too excited yet. Danny the Dictator will be gone in just over 6 months.

And the business community and chamber of commerce are none to excited about Alberta's new shift to a banana republic government that makes it hard to attract investment if Danny starts changing the rules willy nilly that are then overturned in the courts.

Danny is so low in the polls the only think that she can think of is to blame the feds for the provinces boom and bust economy and mismanagement of one time resource revenue.

[Hamloc]

So Hamloc tell the whole story next time because you left out the generation derates, power reductions and an unplanned power outage but you blamed it all on renewables! And some of the problems occurred from the fossil fuel generation system. Typical UCP Albertan blinders on and manipulation of the facts.

"The company tweeted that there were a number of factors that led to the grid alert.

“Due to cold weather, low wind conditions, generator derates, power reductions and an unplanned outage, the AESO declared a Grid Alert at 4:47 p.m.,” it said. “Supply is tight but still meeting demand.”

Yup I read all that and did acknowledge it if you actually read my post. But in typical socialist fashion you totally ignored the facts and my observation that you would need excess wind and solar production to recharge storage. Where would that come from? No solar for over 16 hours a day this time of year and true to form when under a polar vortex very little wind. Renewables such as solar and wind not a 365 day a year solution!!!!!

[Hamloc]

Dont get too excited yet. Danny the Dictator will be gone in just over 6 months.

And the business community and chamber of commerce are none to excited about Alberta's new shift to a banana republic government that makes it hard to attract investment if Danny starts changing the rules willy nilly that are then overturned in the courts.

Danny is so low in the polls the only think that she can think of is to blame the feds for the provinces boom and bust economy and mismanagement of one time resource revenue.

Deflect deflect, why can you never answer a question, your as bad as Justin Trudeau!!!!

[chuckChuck]

"Yup I read all that and did acknowledge it if you actually read my post." Bullshit you did! LOL

[Hamloc]

"Yup I read all that and did acknowledge it if you actually read my post." Bullshit you did! LOL

“On Tuesday issues with a couple generators”. You didn’t address anything I said except to attack what I didn’t. Not willing to debate reality?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Not willing to debate reality?

Of course not. Hasn't responded to my questions in the EV thread about solar in northern communities. But apparently has lots of spare time to attack you on this thread because he didn't read your post as usual.

[shtferbrains]

[jazz]

Talk about the ultimate science denier.

Renewables wont power shit and he knows it. But keep spewing the propaganda because what they really want is a marxist state.

Hows that stop the spread going.

[Hamloc]

AESO update at 11:45.

Provincial consumption 11246 megawatts.
Natural gas 8433 megawatts. Hydro 156 megawatts. Solar 273 megawatts. Wind 89 megawatts. Coal 815 megawatts.. Other sources such as biomass and importing electricity make up the rest for those of you who will correctly point out it doesn’t add up.

Of interest coal producing 815 out of a potential 820 megawatts. Wind and solar producing 362 megawatts out of 4756. Still want someone to explain to me where the excess wind and solar will come from to recharge electrical storage needed at night to make solar a 24 hr. A day supply.

[Guest]

Again , details are not permitted on this topic !

[Hamloc]

First for Chuck2’s benefit, I didn’t choose today because I thought it was a one off, I looked at this topic again because of the grid alerts.

At 4:25 pm solar went back to zero, so solar power was generated for almost 8 hrs today. At 4:25 Albertan’s were using 11402 megawatts of electricity. Wind and solar combined were generating 51 megawatts out of 4756 megawatts generating capacity. Chuck2 constantly reminds us of how much is being invested in Alberta in wind and solar generating capacity. At present it is -25 with a wind chill of -31. How many windmills and solar panels would you need on a day like this? Would it matter when apparently there is no wind and only 8 hours of sunlight? I am looking forward to the answers from the proponents of solar and wind on agriville.

[checking]

First for Chuck2’s benefit, I didn’t choose today because I thought it was a one off, I looked at this topic again because of the grid alerts.

At 4:25 pm solar went back to zero, so solar power was generated for almost 8 hrs today. At 4:25 Albertan’s were using 11402 megawatts of electricity. Wind and solar combined were generating 51 megawatts out of 4756 megawatts generating capacity. Chuck2 constantly reminds us of how much is being invested in Alberta in wind and solar generating capacity. At present it is -25 with a wind chill of -31. How many windmills and solar panels would you need on a day like this? Would it matter when apparently there is no wind and only 8 hours of sunlight? I am looking forward to the answers from the proponents of solar and wind on agriville.

Well, it is like this. Every little bit helps, I guess.

However, it is probably just as dangerous for an environmentalist to live today writing their views in a 10 by 10 foot well insulated, minimal carbon use, vault due to lack of fresh air exchange cycles as it was for religious people to live in the past in cave gas environments writing scripture. Yet, certain opposite ends of society will faithfully believe those carbon influenced writings are correct.

Don't anyone, including the moderator, take it personal as this is just a rambling from an eighty year old "prick" that caused a beautiful fall foliage picture to be removed. That was a "case" of a wasted effort, but someone thought it was too offensive.