Alberta 2 grid alerts in 2 days

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[Hamloc]

First for Chuck2’s benefit, I didn’t choose today because I thought it was a one off, I looked at this topic again because of the grid alerts.

At 4:25 pm solar went back to zero, so solar power was generated for almost 8 hrs today. At 4:25 Albertan’s were using 11402 megawatts of electricity. Wind and solar combined were generating 51 megawatts out of 4756 megawatts generating capacity. Chuck2 constantly reminds us of how much is being invested in Alberta in wind and solar generating capacity. At present it is -25 with a wind chill of -31. How many windmills and solar panels would you need on a day like this? Would it matter when apparently there is no wind and only 8 hours of sunlight? I am looking forward to the answers from the proponents of solar and wind on agriville.

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First for Chuck2’s benefit, I didn’t choose today because I thought it was a one off, I looked at this topic again because of the grid alerts.

At 4:25 pm solar went back to zero, so solar power was generated for almost 8 hrs today. At 4:25 Albertan’s were using 11402 megawatts of electricity. Wind and solar combined were generating 51 megawatts out of 4756 megawatts generating capacity. Chuck2 constantly reminds us of how much is being invested in Alberta in wind and solar generating capacity. At present it is -25 with a wind chill of -31. How many windmills and solar panels would you need on a day like this? Would it matter when apparently there is no wind and only 8 hours of sunlight? I am looking forward to the answers from the proponents of solar and wind on agriville.

Well, it is like this. Every little bit helps, I guess.

However, it is probably just as dangerous for an environmentalist to live today writing their views in a 10 by 10 foot well insulated, minimal carbon use, vault due to lack of fresh air exchange cycles as it was for religious people to live in the past in cave gas environments writing scripture. Yet, certain opposite ends of society will faithfully believe those carbon influenced writings are correct.

Don't anyone, including the moderator, take it personal as this is just a rambling from an eighty year old "prick" that caused a beautiful fall foliage picture to be removed. That was a "case" of a wasted effort, but someone thought it was too offensive.

[chuckChuck]

Well its December again and those who think renewables don't work never aknowledge that intermittent renewables work very well for significant periods of the year without burning fossil fuels of any type thus reducing carbon emmisions which is why they are used.

Will they replace fossil sources without some sort of storage or conversion to ammonia, hydrogen, pumped hydro, or batteries? No and we have known that for a long time.

In Quebec and Manitoba renewable hydro covers nearly all their electricity needs.

Renewable Hydro works nearly 100% of the time. Canada's electricity supply is made up of 60% renewable hydro already.

Wind and solar are very low cost options to supplement the electricity supply.

In some paces the wind blows nearly all the time and can provide a relatively steady supply of electricity. Both the UK and Denmark have a lot of wind capacity. So do several of the maritime provinces have lots of wind capacity to be devloped.

Alberta is installing very significant amounts of solar and wind because it makes economic sense.

Do you really think the AESO can't manage the supply with so many intermittments?

You would think they have a plan to make sure it works before the let it get installed? Nah that wouldn't make sense would it? LOL

[chuckChuck]

Oh oh storage for renewables! Who said they would support renewables once storage became feasible? Oh yeah it was our resident Libertarian wanna be republican separatist supporter of diagolon. LOL

Nova Scotia’s EverWind signs green ammonia deal with Germany’s Uniper

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-nova-scotia-everwind-green-ammonia-uniper/

EverWind Fuels, a private developer of sustainable hydrogen and ammonia production in Nova Scotia, says it has signed a memorandum of understanding for Germany-based Uniper to purchase green ammonia from the company’s production facility in Point Tupper, N.S.

The companies have an offtake agreement for 500,000 tonnes a year of green ammonia.

EverWind says it has an offtake agreement with the German company E.ON Hydrogen, a wholly owned subsidiary of the energy company EON, for about the same amount of ammonia a year.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will sign an accord in Stephenville, N.L., today aimed at encouraging exports of hydrogen to Germany. Germany sees hydrogen as a primary long-term replacement for Russian natural gas and as a way to meet its goal to fulfill all its electricity needs with supplies from renewable sources by 2035.

Point Tupper is described by EverWind as a multiphase green hydrogen and ammonia production and export facility, “which is in advanced stages of development and is expected to reach commercial operation in early 2025.”

[Hamloc]

Oh oh storage for renewables! Who said they would support renewables once storage became feasible? Oh yeah it was our resident Libertarian wanna be republican separatist supporter of diagolon. LOL

Nova Scotia’s EverWind signs green ammonia deal with Germany’s Uniper

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-nova-scotia-everwind-green-ammonia-uniper/

EverWind Fuels, a private developer of sustainable hydrogen and ammonia production in Nova Scotia, says it has signed a memorandum of understanding for Germany-based Uniper to purchase green ammonia from the company’s production facility in Point Tupper, N.S.

The companies have an offtake agreement for 500,000 tonnes a year of green ammonia.

EverWind says it has an offtake agreement with the German company E.ON Hydrogen, a wholly owned subsidiary of the energy company EON, for about the same amount of ammonia a year.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will sign an accord in Stephenville, N.L., today aimed at encouraging exports of hydrogen to Germany. Germany sees hydrogen as a primary long-term replacement for Russian natural gas and as a way to meet its goal to fulfill all its electricity needs with supplies from renewable sources by 2035.

Point Tupper is described by EverWind as a multiphase green hydrogen and ammonia production and export facility, “which is in advanced stages of development and is expected to reach commercial operation in early 2025.”

A couple of thoughts Chuck2. Why can’t Germany put up their own windmills and produce their own green ammonia? Also with the shortage of natural gas in Europe companies like Yara have reduced fertilizer production and BASF has shut a chemicals plant, why wouldn’t they use the ammonia for fertilizer? Where does the water come from to produce green ammonia and hydrogen? Fresh water is becoming an increasingly precious resource. Random thoughts, will be interested in your unrelated response.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Wind and solar are very low cost options to supplement the electricity supply.

There you go using the words low cost and wind and solar in the same sentence. I don't think that means what you think it means. Unless of course you have found an example somewhere in the world where additional solar and wind have translated into lower costs for the consumers?

[shtferbrains]

https://newatlas.com/energy/largest-green-ammonia-projects/

"If all the major green ammonia projects on our shortlist are completed on schedule, their combined production total will be more than half of today's global ammonia industry by the mid-2030s – eliminating nearly 1% of global carbon dioxide emissions."

But....

"Most of these projects are in their early stages; the rubber starts hitting the road around 2030, and some can definitely be expected to fall by the wayside and never get built."

Mostly greenfield projects at this stage . Can't find anything that is actually in production.
A few are in construction and may try start "soon".

Investment money seems to be available as we see on the east coast.

Huge amount of new ammonia production.
Basicly an normal ammonia plant that produces the Hydrogen for the H in NH3 using electricity to extract it from water (H2O).

So free water and free electricity from the sun? Right Chuck?
You better invest quick.
Lots of government support and promotion.
What could go wrong?

[Hamloc]

There you go using the words low cost and wind and solar in the same sentence. I don't think that means what you think it means. Unless of course you have found an example somewhere in the world where additional solar and wind have translated into lower costs for the consumers?

There is no doubt that this supposed decarbonization of the electrical grid has made electricity more expensive. Look at Alberta, carbon tax coal generation in to obsolescence, replace it with natural gas. Natural gas still has a carbon tax applied plus the added increase cost of natural gas subject to world pricing influence. We had roughly 5000 megawatts of coal generation, now we have almost 4500 megawatts of wind and solar. Coal ran historically around 85% capacity, wind is supposedly 35% on average and solar I have to be honest I don’t know exact numbers but I believe in the neighborhood of 20%. Wind and solar require full 100% duplication to account for intermittentcy, increasing electricity cost and eliminating any supposed cost savings. Those building solar make lots of money selling carbon credits. All charges related to carbon taxation and carbon credits increase the cost of electricity. This fantasy of cheap renewable electricity is just that a fantasy!!!

[furrowtickler]

There is no doubt that this supposed decarbonization of the electrical grid has made electricity more expensive. Look at Alberta, carbon tax coal generation in to obsolescence, replace it with natural gas. Natural gas still has a carbon tax applied plus the added increase cost of natural gas subject to world pricing influence. We had roughly 5000 megawatts of coal generation, now we have almost 4500 megawatts of wind and solar. Coal ran historically around 85% capacity, wind is supposedly 35% on average and solar I have to be honest I don’t know exact numbers but I believe in the neighborhood of 20%. Wind and solar require full 100% duplication to account for intermittentcy, increasing electricity cost and eliminating any supposed cost savings. Those building solar make lots of money selling carbon credits. All charges related to carbon taxation and carbon credits increase the cost of electricity. This fantasy of cheap renewable electricity is just that a fantasy!!!

And certainly not green to produce from the raw materials needs

[WiltonRanch]

Well its December again and those who think renewables don't work never aknowledge that intermittent renewables work very well for significant periods of the year without burning fossil fuels of any type thus reducing carbon emmisions which is why they are used.

Will they replace fossil sources without some sort of storage or conversion to ammonia, hydrogen, pumped hydro, or batteries? No and we have known that for a long time.

In Quebec and Manitoba renewable hydro covers nearly all their electricity needs.

Renewable Hydro works nearly 100% of the time. Canada's electricity supply is made up of 60% renewable hydro already.

Wind and solar are very low cost options to supplement the electricity supply.

In some paces the wind blows nearly all the time and can provide a relatively steady supply of electricity. Both the UK and Denmark have a lot of wind capacity. So do several of the maritime provinces have lots of wind capacity to be devloped.

Alberta is installing very significant amounts of solar and wind because it makes economic sense.

Do you really think the AESO can't manage the supply with so many intermittments?

You would think they have a plan to make sure it works before the let it get installed? Nah that wouldn't make sense would it? LOL

Think your kids will be putting flowers on your gravestone before green ammonia becomes a thing. In the event it does come to fruition wouldn’t it make more sense to use it for fertilizer than use for energy? There’s a push to reduce carbon emissions in ag this would be a great way to help out.

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Poor chucky
So many details
WTF guys ?
You know the rules ???