Alberta 2 grid alerts in 2 days

[AlbertaFarmer5]

utility-scale solar PV is the least costly option for adding new electricity capacity,

Do you ever read the fine print Chuck?

Cheapest capacity? Is that the same thing as cheapest generation, let alone cheapest delivered to the consumer?
Keeping in mind that here in sunny Alberta, Brooks 1, the first solar farm I checked just now, has a 4 year capacity factor of 15.7%

So if it is as you claim, the cheapest electricity capacity, but it only produces at 6.5 times less than the name plate capacity, do you think it is still the cheapest generation source?

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting cut and paste articles which you clearly do not even know how to interpret? Do you even attempt to read what they say, to check if they don't actually contradict your own ideological biases?

All you have to do is provide a single example of lower (relative) power bills of any place in the world, resulting from the addition of solar or wind. By far the easiest homework I have ever given you. And you have failed repeatedly for years.

[Hamloc]

Do you ever read the fine print Chuck?

Cheapest capacity? Is that the same thing as cheapest generation, let alone cheapest delivered to the consumer?
Keeping in mind that here in sunny Alberta, Brooks 1, the first solar farm I checked just now, has a 4 year capacity factor of 15.7%

So if it is as you claim, the cheapest electricity capacity, but it only produces at 6.5 times less than the name plate capacity, do you think it is still the cheapest generation source?

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting cut and paste articles which you clearly do not even know how to interpret? Do you even attempt to read what they say, to check if they don't actually contradict your own ideological biases?

All you have to do is provide a single example of lower (relative) power bills of any place in the world, resulting from the addition of solar or wind. By far the easiest homework I have ever given you. And you have failed repeatedly for years.

Most important point is the building of solar and wind capacity is no guarantee of generation, certainly not 24 hr. a day generation you can depend on!

[shtferbrains]

The other part of this is companies like Amazon contract for solar power to greenwash their dirtiest delivery system.

So 16 hrs a day they are delivered brown energy for premium price?

[chuckChuck]

Do you ever read the fine print Chuck?

Cheapest capacity? Is that the same thing as cheapest generation, let alone cheapest delivered to the consumer?
Keeping in mind that here in sunny Alberta, Brooks 1, the first solar farm I checked just now, has a 4 year capacity factor of 15.7%

So if it is as you claim, the cheapest electricity capacity, but it only produces at 6.5 times less than the name plate capacity, do you think it is still the cheapest generation source?

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting cut and paste articles which you clearly do not even know how to interpret? Do you even attempt to read what they say, to check if they don't actually contradict your own ideological biases?

All you have to do is provide a single example of lower (relative) power bills of any place in the world, resulting from the addition of solar or wind. By far the easiest homework I have ever given you. And you have failed repeatedly for years.

That's easy. On my own farm! I hardly pay anything for electricity from Saskpower because my solar system produces more kwh than i need most years depending on how much i run my aeration fans for drying grain. And even if you factor in the capital cost of the panels it still is cheaper than Saskpower and much cheaper than the rate most farmers pay in Alberta.

[TSIPP]

Government subsidized solar panels is the only reason why.

[chuckChuck]

In Saskatchewan the electricity cost farmers pay are lower than what city and town residents pay even though the cost of delivering electricity to every farm and rural resident is higher because of the long distant sparsely populated rural areas.

In effect farmers are getting subsidized with lower farm rates.

[Hamloc]

That's easy. On my own farm! I hardly pay anything for electricity from Saskpower because my solar system produces more kwh than i need most years depending on how much i run my aeration fans for drying grain. And even if you factor in the capital cost of the panels it still is cheaper than Saskpower and much cheaper than the rate most farmers pay in Alberta.

Chuck2 on my opening post of this thread I talked about a neighbour that just installed a large solar array this summer. The solar company who installed it said he would qualify for a 25% federal subsidy. The payback period if he received the subsidy would be 10 years. As it turned out the federal government changed priorities for their funding(now he says they are targeting heat pumps in Atlantic Canada, more votes to buy there) and his subsidy application was turned down. Now it will take 14 years to pay it off. What amused me was he spent over $100000 and when the power goes out all these solar panels are worthless, he can’t access the power, it is tied to the grid lol.

[chuckChuck]

But you are okay if Saskatchewan farmers get subsidized rates? And then complain about the subsidies and support for solar systems? LOL

If and when the power goes out which happens a few times a year for a very few hours you turn on the backup generator which everyone should have because the grid system is also unreliable.

The other 360 some days a year the solar panels are working if the sun is shining and the snow is cleared off.

Last year mine generated about 38,000 kwh which either I used or somebody else used. All carbon emission free!

[TSIPP]

Your solar system is subsidized, I pay more than my fair share for electricity, the urban customers pay slightly more than farmers do but farmers do use more electricity than the urbanites do so we get a small discount on volume.

[chuckChuck]

Your solar system is subsidized, I pay more than my fair share for electricity, the urban customers pay slightly more than farmers do but farmers do use more electricity than the urbanites do so we get a small discount on volume.

Still doesn't cover the additional costs of delivering electricity and providing service to every rural customer whether they are a small rural residential customer or a larger farm.

[TSIPP]

Prove it!

[chuckChuck]

Literally thousands miles of lines to every farm and residence in rural areas plus the equipiment and labour to keep it all running vs concentrated service to town and cities? Which do you think costs more per customer? The anwser is obvious.

You prove I am wrong! LOL

[Hamloc]

But you are okay if Saskatchewan farmers get subsidized rates? And then complain about the subsidies and support for solar systems? LOL

If and when the power goes out which happens a few times a year for a very few hours you turn on the backup generator which everyone should have because the grid system is also unreliable.

The other 360 some days a year the solar panels are working if the sun is shining and the snow is cleared off.

Last year mine generated about 38,000 kwh which either I used or somebody else used. All carbon emission free!

First off I don’t live in Saskatchewan. What is interesting is you appear to think it is unfair that farmers in Saskatchewan pay less for power than their urban counterparts which must mean the power line infrastructure must be subsidized to some extent by Sask power. This same subsidized power line infrastructure allows you to sell your excess solar power back into the grid. You therefore had your capital expense of your solar system subsidized as well as the transportation of your production!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You completely avoided addressing my comment about the difference between capacity and actual generation. As usual.

And instead, you proved how you are downloading the costs of your unreliable generation onto all of the other consumers of the grid, raising the costs for everyone. While you get a free ride, forcing power onto the grid at times when demand is lowest, and pulling it back out when demand is highest. And pretending that it is storage, as opposed to spinning reserve, costing everyone.

[chuckChuck]

Tsipper said prove it! Now it's your turn to prove it.