australian tragedy

[foragefarmer]

Downunder, very sad news for all Aussies.

Brave young people wanting to serve and protect fellow countrymen and their lives are taken from them in and instance. Poor family members will never see what they would have accomplished in life.

Young 31 year old female officer recently stabbed to death in the province of B.C. She worked in the homeless and mental health out-reach team.

Everyday law enforcement officers put their lives on the line for us, sad there are people amongst us who don't appreciate and respect them for what they do for us.

[Landdownunder]

Landdownunder, according to my sister who has lived in Canberra for about 20 years gun ownership is basically banned in Australia. My niece who lives in Queensland and farms with her husband near Roma certainly have guns which by the sounds of it would be necessary to survive. So near as I can tell rural residents have access to guns, urban residents do not. Can you clarify this for me.

Regardless certainly very sad situation. No doubt a lot of extreme views shared on social media. Extremes on the left and right certainly have a tenuous grasp on reality.

basically it in a nutshell. we have shotgun not pump action. A guy lives in house of mine has .243 will ask think 6 shot bolt action or might be single shot and of course 22s etc. My son and I might join a pistol club get licences can have pistols.

yep everyone in rural areas can have guns but not rapid fire.

guns must be in gun safe and ammunition in another gun safe in different room.

licence must be produced to purchase fire arms and ammunition and a certificate why you need it.

we don't have the varmints you guys have im quick to add.

city yep heaps more hoops to jumps through for gun ownership the way it should be in my opinion.

nothings really change for rural folk except no rapid fire.

there's even talk of relaxing it just a little for duck hunters and guys in NT that have wild pigs

no huge issue

[Landdownunder]

yeah sumdumbguy really no issues for rural people with gun tis allowed.

ive read some of the propaganda in USA re gun ownership in australia some of it is just gobbing off zero fact and or truth but "I saw it on the internet" must be true stone the crows all fibs

[Landdownunder]

And our great generational family friends in Montana, last visit young will said "well Peter there really aint nothing wrong with your gun laws not what we thought" only issue I have is you guys don't have bears.

point 100% taken may need some changes amendments to make it work in your great land and US of A

[Landdownunder]

And look im sure I will not have a friend left on Agriville after this comment.

But some of the "there coming after our guns blah blah" could well be but govt voters gun users have let it fester to long to be solved almost.

We bit the bullet in 1996 long time ago.

Maybe if the same happened in Canada then you wouldn't be having this argument.

And I might add that it was a conservative right wing govt that brought it in.

And I remember the far right of the political party in power were up in arms. We will lose the election over this the PM at the time maybe one of our best ever in my opinion and rough quote "so be it human life is more important than votes and political power" or something like that.

And what actually happened at the election was those middle ground left leaning voters actually voted conservative because of the stance on guns

Anyway if ya tell me to naff off from agriville so be it.

[Landdownunder]

On Tuesday, Queensland Police Commissioner Katarina Carroll said all three Train family members were “considered offenders”.

A police source said the woman – who The Australian revealed on Tuesday had been previously married to Nathaniel before divorcing him, and marrying Gareth – was an active shooter in the incident.

The source told The Australian that all three Trains “shot the s..t out of the bearcat” police armoured vehicle that led the counter-attack on the property.

“There was a thought that Stacey may have been an unwilling participant but she was shooting at police with the best of them,’’ a source said.

“She got shot and went down and was still shooting at police as she was laying on the ground.

“She was then shot and killed.

“She was just as mad as them.”

Both Stacey Train and Nathaniel Train were decorated school teachers and principals.

Stacey Train started her teaching career at the Charters Towers State High School in February 2004, when she told a local newspaper she wanted to work in a regional area with a community feel and smaller class sizes.

Two police officers survived the attack and have been identified as Constable Keeley Brough and Constable Randall Kirk, both 28.

One of the surviving officers, Constable Brough, who had only joined the police force nine weeks ago, fled the scene and escaped into nearby bushland.

The group then set fire to the bushes to try to smoke her out.

Mr Dare then came to investigate after the incident took place and was also shot and killed at around 5pm.

It’s understood further shots were fired into his and the officers’ bodies, and the dead and injured officers’ glocks were taken.

On Tuesday, Queensland Police Commissioner Katarina Carroll said all three Train family members were “considered offenders”. In some circles known as "truthers".

[Landdownunder]

Not sure if you guys have truthers over there.

but a classic example not related to above topic.

Have a good freind who is a camera man for main stream news went over to Ukraine one of the few that did from oz but got pulled once the US journalists died.

He used to give us ever so brief reports to let us know he was ok that's it.

But when he got home used example of photos off shelled destroyed buildings like he literally drove past them. The "truthers" called fake news fake news here look at these photos from 15 yrs ago.......the conspiracy dudes take the photos transpose on previous wars to further there case oldest trick in the book he said but they fall for it every time. There's a word for it and its quite common.

But ya can tell the alt left or right anything.

[chuckChuck]

Landdownunder you made a strong case why restricting access to guns works in Australia and why it can work in Canada too. And reasonable access for farmers and hunters can still be allowed.

Mass shootings in the US are many many times more numerous. And the Republicans side with the gun industry and gun nuts every time in opposing restrictions to access, even after little school kids die.

In Canada the Conservatives oppose more restrictions as well. But farmers and hunters will still have access to the guns they need.

No doubt you have seen the reports of arrests at Coutts Alberta this past February of a far right separatist group that was planning to kill cops because they opposed the federal and provincial government for a variety of crazy reasons.

So its a little rich for some of the usual suspects to tell us how sad they are for Austrailans during this gun tragedy but then fail to acknowledge the growing risk that extremist individuals and groups pose in our own country and in the US with much easier access to deadly weapons and the cultural of hate and violence that go with it.

[Guest]

you are a cold heartless piece of work
using this to further your preaching is just sad
look at the pics of the two beautiful young people
gun control will do nothing for the determined
taking a shotgun away from a duck hunter won't either
james smith was a knife attack
toronto was a vehicle attack
if there is a will , there is a way

[blackpowder]

I don't give a rat's toss bag what other countries have for laws, especially oceans away.
Guns don't create violence, they assist it. I want the ability to liquidate my collection to the US at an open market value.
Then I want you to secure our 8891 km land border with the US. $6000 cash gets anything I want on the street. That's just guns, Fentanyl far far cheaper.