australian tragedy

[blackpowder]

Or, you could spend no money, and piss off far less people. Move most on list to Restricted or Prohibited class.
In another generation or two, problem solved, quietly and cheaply.
Not much political hay to make tho.

[jazz]

Doctors killed 15,000 people here last yr and thats not including the people they used ventilators on to drive a virus deep into the patients lungs, or the people they left unattended in care homes while care givers quit en masse.

Your biggest killer and driver of misinformation is your govt. and the media by far.

[blackpowder]

Now who's off topic?

[jazz]

Now who's off topic?

Not off topic at all. Just showing the false equivalency that people equate with tragic events.

You know 4m children in this world die before their 5th birthday. I dont see anybody freaking out about that.

The UN said starvation deaths on the planet would be alleviated with just $40B dollars per yr. Well we send that into Ukraine every week.

[cropgrower]

yes some lives are a lot more important than others

[chuckChuck]

Doctors killed 15,000 people here last yr and thats not including the people they used ventilators on to drive a virus deep into the patients lungs, or the people they left unattended in care homes while care givers quit en masse.

Your biggest killer and driver of misinformation is your govt. and the media by far.

What a crock of Q'Anon bullshit!

If you and your family get sick jazzy, stay at home, don't go to the doctor or hospital and don't take any antibiotics cause the doctors are going to kill you! hahahahahah

[jazz]

15,000 MAID deaths chuck, look it up.

We also have that many opoid overdoses as well and an equivalent number of suicides. And safe injection sites are legal and govt supervised.

Sorry, your govt is the bigger killer than some guy with a hunting rifle. Statistically just about zero shoulder mounted firearms are ever involved in a violent crime in canada. Its all american illegal handguns, smuggled thru reserves and into Toronto.

Truth hurts doesnt it. Much as you like to think farmers are going to go on a rampage, the stats dont bear any of that. Some of the tightest policed areas in the country like Peel have staggering amounts of gun crime and drugs.

[biglentil]

Thats just MAID, medical malpractice at least 28000 more deaths. No out cry. An under 40 was 20 times more likely to die of Fentanyl overdose than covid. No out cry. Alcohol about 15000 deaths a year. No out cry. All Canadian figures.

[Jordy2323]

!!!!!

[Landdownunder]

Frederick Nerk and his meth using Joe Dipstick city decide for some reason they are gonna go on a shooting rampage and kill some other drop kick users and or people.

Its darn near impossible for them to buy weapons and harder to buy ammo.

Farmer pete i would like a new winchester .308 for fox hunting could go into town 40 kms away to gun shop at 9am today tell propriter i want such a purchase.

A few back ground checks some paper work registration at police station walk away 2 pm with your firearm and ammo. PS can be refused.

Crims approach farmers to buy stuff and or weapons apparently never happens for fear of all farmers rural people sports shooters losing gun ownership rights sort of self policing and honesty and common sense.

my sons best mates dad who im a freind with reckon hes got maybe 20 pieces ranging from antique muzzle loaders right through to high spec latest and greatest.

Gut feel as time goes on really think laws will be relaxed even more for farmers.

99.9% of times its working in my opinion.

Hardened gangsters still shoot each other im sure and always will regardless of laws and restrictions.

Have your farm lobby groups and sporting shooters assoctions/gun clubs etc met with politicians asking debating , "how can we make this work" ragther than automatic push back there gonna take our guns talk?

[Landdownunder]

one of the muderous trio was a school principal 18 months ago had a distinguished career in indigenous education the lady still a teacher 11 months ago third guy not sure about him.

People asking how could they "flip" to become anti gov extremists right into what chuck mention QAnon or whatever it is.

The i saw it on the internet must be true types

[Landdownunder]

This cut and paste if from one of Australia's most right wing journalists in a right wing paper.
Canada may not have lunatic ring but by god USA does
PS deleted edited some of the hard hitting stuff to keep it rational

Three innocent people dead. The three perpetrators, also dead, got what was coming to them.

The term that hasn’t been used by police or media to date is domestic terrorism but that is surely what led to the deaths of three innocent people. The incident also stands as a warning on the dangers of cult behaviour and the rapid radicalisation of individuals amplified by disinformation associated with the pandemic.

There has been a media focus on Gareth Train and his online conspiracy laden rants. Whether it’s the Port Arthur massacre as a false flag or babbling about the “Luciferian agenda”, 5G, Bill Gates, fake media, the CIA as a “Jesuit cabal”, freemasonry, Ukraine lies, and secret government depopulation policies through vaccines, it is mere wallpaper.

The belief systems of conspiracists are an intellectual cul-de-sac for rational people. There’s no point trying to comprehend them or seek some truth from them.

After reviewing several of Gareth Train’s posts, I would identify him as a sovereign citizen aligned conspiracy cultist. This mentality, reinforced in social media echo chambers, led to his radicalisation. In turn, it would appear that his wife and brother were radicalised. In the case of the brother, Nathaniel, it seems his radicalisation occurred in the space of just a few months.

Sovereign citizens, sometimes known by their Canadian nomenclature as Freemen on the Land, believe the state and its law enforcement arms have no authority over them.

It’s an amorphous collective. Some sovereign citizens spend their time attempting to find holes in Australia’s constitutional framework. Others engage in doomed but exhausting legal battles with the state or individuals unfortunate enough to have crossed their paths. Some engage in taxation fraud which is how the movement first started in the US in the early 1990s. Many drive the roads unlicensed, their vehicles uninsured and unregistered.

All are living on the fringes of society — geographically, ideologically and culturally. Their numbers are hard to discern but there are various state and federal reports that put the figure at somewhere around 100,000 in this country alone. Not all are dangerous, but many are.

[chuckChuck]

Canada has some of the so call called "freemen" sovereign citizens. There are lots of them in the US in various forms

In Canada their kids go to public schools. They drive on public roads. They use public healthcare. And receive many other benefits from taxpayers.

But they think they don't have to pay taxes or follow the laws that every other citizen follows. Go figure?

And sometimes they go crazy and think violence is an option.

At their heart they are often far right anti government extremists. Often they are racists, white supremacists and bigots.

And some of the more moderate right wingers express sympathy for some of their views.

Security agencies in both Canada and the USA have identified right wing extremists as the greatest threat for domestic violent acts of hate and terrorism.

[WiltonRanch]

Canada has some of the so call called "freemen" sovereign citizens. There are lots of them in the US in various forms

In Canada their kids go to public schools. They drive on public roads. They use public healthcare. And receive many other benefits from taxpayers.

But they think they don't have to pay taxes or follow the laws that every other citizen follows. Go figure?

And sometimes they go crazy and think violence is an option.

At their heart they are often far right anti government extremists. Often they are racists, white supremacists and bigots.

And some of the more moderate right wingers express sympathy for some of their views.

Security agencies in both Canada and the USA have identified right wing extremists as the greatest threat for domestic violent acts of hate and terrorism.

I agree domestic terrorism is our greatest threat. From both right and left extremism. White supremacists to eco terrorists. Pro lifers bombing abortion clinics to animal rights groups like ALF wrecking the horse slaughter house in Texas. Right now the focus is on the right wing nuts cause balance of power is held by left leaning governments. Will change when pendulum swings other way. As I had replied to you before about how we will condone the bad actors on the side of the political spectrum we inhabit, it is a problem for all of us. Foreign meddling doesn’t help neither.

[Landdownunder]

A chilling video has come out posted 3 hours before the event.

BLM nutters Eco terrorist nutters right wing conspiracy nutters Islamic nutters all a threat at times.

Im right wing voter and shall remain that way, a fence sitter on covid nowadays but kill innocent people for the cause NO.

Oppostion leader in our parliment a "true" right wing conservative leader has come out today to support the govt and moives to stamp out online conspiracy groups but somehow maintain free speech, a difficult job, hes livid about some of the anti vaxx crap govt poisioning children on purpose etc etc.

He is or was a distinguished ex police officer. Blue lives matter coming coming through.

Could post more cut and paste wont bore you with it. Time to close the thread. Really rattled australia to the core this one. People didnt believe it could happen here