Year in review: hearing hard truths about First Nations farmers

[Guest]

No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.

The time we did on thatcher , he immediately started arguing with himself

[Landdownunder]

We had a indigenous chap here for hmm maybe 2 yrs lived in a spare house. Black as the ace of spades great guy.

Crazy knack of tracking animals i was in awe sometimes.

Unbeknown to us he was a ice user got taken away and locked up bashed his girlfriend.

Used to do a little mechanical work in lue of rent.

Gifted sportsmen.

Used to tell of his growing up and struggles in his late 30s.

Was on the wrong side of the tracks as young person.

Sadly still is. Sadly i should have done more. Would still be here aint heard from him since.

[blackpowder]

I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
Doing very well finally. All him.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
Doing very well finally. All him.

That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.

[seldomseen]

Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility.

I have read a lot of different books on the history of Western Canada and our native peoples.
One thing that always shines through is what a disaster the Canadian government was and how it screwed everything up when dealing with our native people.
The government hasn’t changed and will still screw up everything it touch’s so I can’t see where adding more government to this problem would be a benefit.
From what I have read the best the natives have had it was when the HBC company ran Western Canada and their big problems started after Canada bought the West.

[blackpowder]

That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.

I could add. He was from a different culture. Overseas. But it didn't come with a members only card.

[blackpowder]

Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility.

Sharing is not a one way street.
I don't see anyone in the middle on this actually.

[WiltonRanch]

That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.

FAS is insidious and papas sperm if he’s drunk supposedly contributes as well. Oh no! Wonder how pronounced FAS is in the Russians especially Siberia. Sensible undamaged people are known to make poor decisions let alone FAS affected. Read a stat that 85% of native gang members were FAS affected. Perfect foot soldiers for the Posse and related gangs. Local rez has been dry forever. We kept cows on rez and not far off as well. Lots of party sites back in the bush. Elders and well meaning folks try but families have trouble keeping kids away from gangs. Same Rez though dry is bad for drugs and murders. One instance guy was bumped off on the road off the Rez they cut off his face and smeared on his windshield. Don’t get me wrong a lot of folks work off Rez or on the Rez in the patch. Lots of employment opportunities. They’re trying but between gangs, drugs, and half corrupt leaders it’s tough. A lot of people send their kids to school in the city for a better education and less negative influences.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A lot of people send their kids to school in the city for a better education and less negative influences.

Didn't some well meaning educators try something like that in the past too?

[chuckChuck]

That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.

More exaggeration? LOL Do you understand what shared responsibility means? It includes personal responsibility.

Many of the problems are current issues.

And we already know that many people blame first nations for all their problems denying the situation many first nations experienced.

But then forget about the things we heard and experienced when Gerald Stanley shot and killed Colton Boushie. It was blatant racism.

Even the Premier had to warn that a lot of the racism crossed the line.

So we all share some responsibility for the problems and current state of affairs even though many on the right would like to deflect, dismiss and deny.