Year in review: hearing hard truths about First Nations farmers

[chuckChuck]

Since no one here has a solution that is satisfactory to you Chuck why don’t you tell us your solution?
I don’t know why you started this? We all know the natives got a shitty deal and I am sure everyone on this site would change it if we could.
If you can’t offer any better solution then shut up!

Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility.

[cropgrower]

so the only solution you can come up with is to talk about it ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility.

You forgot to tell us your proposed solution.

[jazz]

You forgot to tell us your proposed solution.

We all know what that is. We all pay the natives to be even bigger marxists. Ratchet the Indian Act up to full power like the CWB was and let the socialist chips fall where they may.

Too bad the natives cant recognize socialism is their real problem.

[WiltonRanch]

And the Irish did terrible things to themselves as well.

Look beyond your own experience and try to see the world from someone else perspective.

Its starts with understanding the history and current situation.

Better brush up on your history there or you’re just a typical Englishman thinking the Irish are a bunch of inferior beings. Don’t f with the Irish.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

We all know what that is. We all pay the natives to be even bigger marxists. Ratchet the Indian Act up to full power like the CWB was and let the socialist chips fall where they may.

Too bad the natives cant recognize socialism is their real problem.

You stole my punchline. We all know that Chuck's proposed solution to everything is more marxism, more big government, more wealth redistribution, more interfering with the free market, less personal responsibility, less capitalism, more big brother knows best.
But in Chuck's very first post, in the story of the native farmer who attempted to be successful, but was subverted by the very factors Chuck proposes as solutions to everything.
Been a few posts later, the age of who was trying to be a cattle farmer, but the band kept redistributing his hey production making it impossible to make a living.
The recurring theme is that no one can borrow money or invest money when the land is owned collectively.
It seems that they have already identified that more communism is not the solution to their problems.
I suspect we are never going to hear a solution coming from chuck.

[cropgrower]

yes the only solution in his mind would make things even worse

[blackpowder]

All chuck really wants is for everyone to agree with him. Bait, berate, disdain.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All chuck really wants is for everyone to agree with him. Bait, berate, disdain.

No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.

Any time we waste our time taking Chuck's bait, always remember the saying about wrestling with a pig. Which doesn't mean we can't have fun l mocking his self importance and ignorance.

[Guest]

No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.

The time we did on thatcher , he immediately started arguing with himself

[Landdownunder]

We had a indigenous chap here for hmm maybe 2 yrs lived in a spare house. Black as the ace of spades great guy.

Crazy knack of tracking animals i was in awe sometimes.

Unbeknown to us he was a ice user got taken away and locked up bashed his girlfriend.

Used to do a little mechanical work in lue of rent.

Gifted sportsmen.

Used to tell of his growing up and struggles in his late 30s.

Was on the wrong side of the tracks as young person.

Sadly still is. Sadly i should have done more. Would still be here aint heard from him since.

[blackpowder]

I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
Doing very well finally. All him.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
Doing very well finally. All him.

That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.

[seldomseen]

Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility.

I have read a lot of different books on the history of Western Canada and our native peoples.
One thing that always shines through is what a disaster the Canadian government was and how it screwed everything up when dealing with our native people.
The government hasn’t changed and will still screw up everything it touch’s so I can’t see where adding more government to this problem would be a benefit.
From what I have read the best the natives have had it was when the HBC company ran Western Canada and their big problems started after Canada bought the West.