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    #11
    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Change is hard!

    Took a awhile for some people to admit smoking was dangerous or that seat belts save lives too.

    Its a question of indoor air quality.

    Do you run your engines in the shop without an exhaust line or fan for very long? Most people at least open the door.

    We have a gas cook top. Nice to have gas when the power goes out.

    Electric induction stove tops are another option that probably make more sense. They are more efficient and safer.
    We switched to induction 8 years ago. We would not go back to electric , safer and faster.

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      #12
      Some farmers gas bill....

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        #13
        that must be one wh-ore of a shop ?

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          #14
          2 shops , house , total for dec,(cold cold month), $568. total tax paid of that = $155.55(27.5% of bill)
          , of that $7 was GST on carbon tax , what kind of idiot would ever come up with GST on a carbon tax ??????????. what kind of special idiots (us) would pay it
          chucky , is this what you asked for ?

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            #15
            It’s ok case, you’ll get back more than you pay in, right?

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              #16
              Meanwhile, these same climate clowns are denying the developing world access to clean affordable fossil fuels, in the name of saving the climate. So they are cooking and heating with wood and dung without ventilation and are suffering horrific health consequences as a result. While simultaneously resulting in deforestation and erosion and soil degradation.

              And not just the developing world, the horrific price increases resulting from the renewable energy disaster in Europe is driving people in first world countries to go back to burning wood and dung and coal and peat moss.

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                #17
                It’s only going to get worse as the Liberals have free reign to continue to hike the carbon tax

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by caseih View Post
                  2 shops , house , total for dec,(cold cold month), $568. total tax paid of that = $155.55(27.5% of bill)
                  , of that $7 was GST on carbon tax , what kind of idiot would ever come up with GST on a carbon tax ??????????. what kind of special idiots (us) would pay it
                  chucky , is this what you asked for ?
                  Caseih, 2 shops and a house. 1300 sq. ft. house well insulated and protected, 2880 sq. ft. shop R50 ceiling, R28 walls and a 1500 sq. ft. shop. Dec. gas bill was 925.05. Carbon tax 192.51, 21% of the bill. I did notice I pay $2.55 a gigajoule for delivery and maintenance, $1.45 a gigajoule more than on the above bill from Blackie. In 2030 Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax will be $170 a tonne of C02. The carbon tax then on the same 73.22 gigajoule of natural gas will $654.53, more than the combined cost of natural gas and delivery and maintenance of $636.35 on my bill today. Yes absolutely ridiculous today, way more ridiculous by 2030!!!

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                    #19
                    Just wait till carbon tax is 50% of the bill …. Won’t have to wait long .
                    How much of this carbon tax do you think will be rebated ? My guess near zero

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                      #20
                      I have a well insulated passive solar 1400 square foot house 1600 square foot heated shop and my total gas usage was only 18.16 gigajoules for a total of $176.00 in December. The carbon tax was 47.62. Significant but hardly going to change my fortunes on a mid sized farm.

                      The usage on the Blackie area farm was massive and on Hammy's farm is significantly higher than mine with only a second bigger shop.

                      On my electricity bill because my solar pv system covers the average annual usage most years I paid no carbon tax in 2022.

                      The best way to cut carbon taxes is to use less carbon. Because a price on carbon is here to stay in some form. Every province including Alberta and Saskatchewan have a price on carbon for large emitters.

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