Ukraine "on the ground"

[jazz]

forage, you need to brush up on some Grade 2. Read it again, the article is from Seymour Hersh. Do you even know who that is.

Out of the $150B the US printed up for this fools errand, more than 60% of it just got fed back into the US own military.

[fjlip]

"And Jazz would have probably been helping spread Nazi propaganda too"


My family and neighbors FOUGHT the Nazis, BIG Z ....







Who wants more DEAD Ukrainians?

[TSIPP]

As we know back in the day guys like Jazz would have thought Hitler wasn't so bad either. And Jazz would have probably been helping spread Nazi propaganda too.

You and your like buddies are such assholes!!

[jazz]

Seymour Hersh

TRADING WITH THE ENEMY
Amid rampant corruption in Kiev and as US troops gather at the Ukrainian border, does the Biden administration have an endgame to the conflict?

The Ukraine government, headed by Volodymyr Zelensky, has been using American taxpayers’ funds to pay dearly for the vitally needed diesel fuel that is keeping the Ukrainian army on the move in its war with Russia. It is unknown how much the Zelensky government is paying per gallon for the fuel, but the Pentagon was paying as much as $400 per gallon to transport gasoline from a port in Pakistan, via truck or parachute, into Afghanistan during the decades-long American war there.

What also is unknown is that Zelensky has been buying the fuel from Russia, the country with which it, and Washington, are at war, and the Ukrainian president and many in his entourage have been skimming untold millions from the American dollars earmarked for diesel fuel payments. One estimate by analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency put the embezzled funds at $400 million last year, at least; another expert compared the level of corruption in Kiev as approaching that of the Afghan war, “although there will be no professional audit reports emerging from the Ukraine.”

“Zelensky’s been buying discount diesel from the Russians,” one knowledgeable American intelligence official told me. “And who’s paying for the gas and oil? We are. Putin and his oligarchs are making millions” on it.

Many government ministries in Kiev have been literally “competing,” I was told, to set up front companies for export contracts for weapons and ammunition with private arms dealers around the world, all of which provide kickbacks. Many of those companies are in Poland and Czechia, but others are thought to exist in the Persian Gulf and Israel. “I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there are others in places like the Cayman Islands and Panama, and there are lots of Americans involved,” an American expert on international trade told me.

The issue of corruption was directly raised with Zelensky in a meeting last January in Kiev with CIA Director William Burns. His message to the Ukrainian president, I was told by an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting, was out of a 1950s mob movie. The senior generals and government officials in Kiev were angry at what they saw as Zelensky’s greed, so Burns told the Ukrainian president, because “he was taking a larger share of the skim money than was going to the generals.”

Burns also presented Zelensky with a list of thirty-five generals and senior officials whose corruption was known to the CIA and others in the American government. Zelensky responded to the American pressure ten days later by publicly dismissing ten of the most ostentatious officials on the list and doing little else. “The ten he got rid of were brazenly bragging about the money they had—driving around Kiev in their new Mercedes,” the intelligence official told me.

[jazz]

Another color revolution courtesy of uncle sam. Or are we bringing democracy to Sudan now.

[foragefarmer]

Putin bombs an apartment block in Uman, Ukraine killing 21 civilians. Six children killed yesterday by Putin's bombs.

Putin the revengeful butcher!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do you remember how all of the warmongers supported starting a war in Ukraine under the pretext of democracy?
Apparently the ukrainians didn't get that memo.

Could it be that they realize the Ukrainian citizens don't support this war either? And if they were allowed to vote, they would make that clear. After all, when they first voted in zelensky, it was because he campaigned on ending the conflict in Donbas and upholding the Minsk accord.

[Landdownunder]

tricky scenario do they support the alternative?

gonna go for years it seems sadly nil all draw

[jazz]

Zelensky should just rename himself FAFO at this point.

This is NATOs not so secret arms depot going up in flames a few days ago. All those depleted uranium shells raining over Ukrainians.

Patriot system against Kinzahl a few days ago. 30 patriots fired against a single Kinzhal, couldnt touch it.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

This certainly sounds reminiscent of the last time the Nazis attacked eastward and tried to eliminate the population of eastern Ukraine and Russia. It is reassuring to know that our tax dollars are going to support genocide. One would think that they would want to distance themselves from their Nazi history, not glorify and attempt to repeat it.

Ukrainian journalist says 1.5 million people in Donbass are useless, superfluous and must be killed.

Interestingly, Hromadske TV received funding from an assortment of Western govt sources, including the United States, Netherlands, Canada, as well as the George Soros regime-change NGO in Ukraine, the International Renaissance Foundation (IRF).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hromadske#Funding

The guy advocates for literal genocidal nazism.

Excerpts:

Okay, you ask me, "how can it be happening?"

Well, it happens because Donbass, in general, is not simply a region in a very depressed condition, it has a whole bunch of problems, biggest of which is it is severely overpopulated with people that nobody has any use for. Trust me, I know what I am saying.

If we take, for example, just Donetsk oblast, there are approximately 4 million inhabitants, at least 1.5 million of them are superfluous.

Donbass must be exploited as a resource, which it is.

I don't claim to have a quick solution recipe, but the most important thing that must be done - no matter how cruel it may sound, there is a certain category of people who just need to be killed.