Ukraine "on the ground"

[jazz]

Support for the war from the clueless even now is dwindling fast. I guess virtue signaling sort of loses its lustre when face with a mushroom cloud.

But forage and agstarr will be the last to wake up again.

[Landdownunder]

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Barrons argues that Ukraine needs ammunition even more than it needs soldiers. It fires 90,000 155mm shells a month and sometimes 5000-6,000 shells a day but combined US and European production is less than 30,000 a month. “There is a mathematical mismatch,” he says. The US is tripling its output but “Europe has been too slow”.

Russia, which has been firing 20,000 shells a day and is thought to have used up 10 years’ worth of production in 12 months, has the same problem. In recent weeks they have reduced the numbers by 75 per cent.

[agstar77]

Crazy stuff cut and paste apologies

Barrons argues that Ukraine needs ammunition even more than it needs soldiers. It fires 90,000 155mm shells a month and sometimes 5000-6,000 shells a day but combined US and European production is less than 30,000 a month. “There is a mathematical mismatch,” he says. The US is tripling its output but “Europe has been too slow”.

Russia, which has been firing 20,000 shells a day and is thought to have used up 10 years’ worth of production in 12 months, has the same problem. In recent weeks they have reduced the numbers by 75 per cent.

Is it not ironic with all the high tech weapons, we are talking ww1 issues?

[shtferbrains]

WW2 Soviet strategy.

Siege and destroy.

[biglentil]

Is it not ironic with all the high tech weapons, we are talking ww1 issues?

Thats because this is just the warm up. Conventional weapons and warfare are all but obsolete. In a game of chess the pawns move first. When it escalates things could mover very quickly, Russian ICBM's cannot be defended against with western systems.

[agstar77]

Thats because this is just the warm up. Conventional weapons and warfare are all but obsolete. In a game of chess the pawns move first. When it escalates things could mover very quickly, Russian ICBM's cannot be defended against with western systems.

You think Russia can stop ICBMs?

[biglentil]

You think Russia can stop ICBMs?

"The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system has no analogues in the world and is designed to defeat the entire spectrum of existing and promising aerospace attack weapons of a potential enemy in the entire range of altitudes and speeds," the ministry said in a statement.

[agstar77]

"The S-500 anti-aircraft missile system has no analogues in the world and is designed to defeat the entire spectrum of existing and promising aerospace attack weapons of a potential enemy in the entire range of altitudes and speeds," the ministry said in a statement.

And you believe them? So they stop most of them, so what? Everyone is still toast.

[biglentil]

And you believe them? So they stop most of them, so what? Everyone is still toast.

Now you are getting it Aggy. Can you not see where this is going?

[shtferbrains]

Now you are getting it Aggy. Can you not see where this is going?

I'm not getting it.
Don't know how to reply as I can't comprehend what you are trying to say.
You believe Pitin has a just developed but never used defence system that negates the nuclear deterrent?
Because his military can't get any gains in the Donbas his next play is go all in with nuclear Armageddon?
What does he get out of that.
Is he brilliant or is he nuts?