For all you EV Promoters

[furrowtickler]

EV’s should be cheaper than ICE vehicles.
They will put a severe strain on the grid that’s going to cost everyone even more . Just look at Western Europe, the numbers don’t lie … politicians do .

[chuckChuck]

Transitioning the grid and producing more electricity will definitely cost more just like fossil fuels and ICE vehicles cost more. Every utility is already making plans for the transition.

But you wont stop the transition to EVs. Every automotive company is planning on releasing many EV options.

The amount of investment in Ontario is starting to look impressive with the VW investment in batteries in St Thomas.

For most of us we can still drive our ICE vehicles. Or choose a plug in hybrid. Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.

And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.

I see a few of the F 150 Lightnings are starting to show up on lots. They will sell quickly.

Truck sales in general are slowing due to higher fuel prices. Who really wants to spend a fortune on fuel if you really don't need a truck?

Heavy trucks will probably switch to hydrogen fuel cells or interim cleaner fuels.

The ag machinery side is developing cleaner tech as well.

It will be interesting to see how the electric buses perform in Regina.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.

And how is that working out for you so far?

And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.

No, because along with all the rechargeable tools, they were discarded when the batteries failed. Because it was cheaper to buy new tools than replace the battery. Saving the environment one disposable EV at a time.

[Partners]

On the ctv news of course they interviewed a grey long haired fellow who only uses the bus all winter..appeared to be home less or job less..
How about asking what many others think?
Typical media..

[fjlip]

Instead of "change to green", or climate BULLSH IT, we could have just gone on living the dream. Less stress, less taxes or debt, keeping our short life simple. Change making a phucking mess of lives everywhere. Shame on those promoting this horrendous waste of resources for an IDEA. Making a solution for problem we don't have.

[Partners]

Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.

[furrowtickler]

Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.

My guess about a 100 Year recovery if ever ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.

I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?

[WiltonRanch]

I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?

Yes you’d wonder in the long run if scrapping the pointless bike lanes and laying light rail in its place would be more cost effective than buying electric buses. Get the vibes of NG, and Ballard hydrogen fuel powered city buses. Buses fill a need that rail probably can’t economically but if the technocrats get their way no one will be more than 15 minutes from anything they need.

[Hamloc]

Transitioning the grid and producing more electricity will definitely cost more just like fossil fuels and ICE vehicles cost more. Every utility is already making plans for the transition.

But you wont stop the transition to EVs. Every automotive company is planning on releasing many EV options.

The amount of investment in Ontario is starting to look impressive with the VW investment in batteries in St Thomas.

For most of us we can still drive our ICE vehicles. Or choose a plug in hybrid. Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.

And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.

I see a few of the F 150 Lightnings are starting to show up on lots. They will sell quickly.

Truck sales in general are slowing due to higher fuel prices. Who really wants to spend a fortune on fuel if you really don't need a truck?

Heavy trucks will probably switch to hydrogen fuel cells or interim cleaner fuels.

The ag machinery side is developing cleaner tech as well.

It will be interesting to see how the electric buses perform in Regina.

Oh where do I start.

First you state ICE vehicles and fossil fuels cost more yet in a previous post it is stated the electric bus is $1.3 million and a diesel bus $750000. Hmmm, yup ICE vehicle definitely more money, fml!

Then you talk about the VW battery plant in Ontario. I just read an article by Tristin Hopper in the National Post this morning. He was talking about how nobody in the government will reveal how much money the federal government gave to VW to build the plant. VW didn’t build in Europe because they claimed they could get $10 billion to build the plant in North America, wow! Yeah impressive investment by Canadian taxpayers lol!

Then as always you bring up phones, not sure why. Well a good example of your great advancement in technology is wind generated electricity. Yesterday during the day in Alberta windmills were doing pretty good producing 2000 megawatts out of a potential 3600. By last night that production was down to 750 megawatts or 20% of nameplate capacity. Today production ranged between 300 and 350 megawatts or less than 10% of nameplate capacity all day. So when you talk about how cheap renewable energy is to produce, numbers like 4 cents a kilowatt I shake my head. I am very interested to know how this number is arrived at because some days like today there is very little wind power being generated!

The difference between you and me Chuck2 is I use real world actual numbers, you use computer models lol!

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc we already know renewables are often intermittent. Stop repeating yourself! LOL

Hydro isn't though. Nor is geothermal. They all have a fit if we are going to need more electricity.

So stop worrying you are not going to freeze in the dark before you die!

And why are you only ranting on about the subsidies to the new battery plant in Ontario? Conservative Doug Ford was very happy to get the plant and put lots of money in.

But what about the subsidies and give aways to the oil industry in Alberta? Crickets!

Danny Smith is giving millions to the oil industry to clean up existing oil wells they own and should pay for themselves.

You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain.

[Partners]

Life expectancy of a EV bus is 12 yrs.
Never going to break even on the additional cost compared diesel.

[shtferbrains]

"Stop repeating yourself! LOL"

[shtferbrains]

I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?

Used to ride those old Trolleys in Vancouver. It was the best way to get around the City as there is no where to park. If you do find a spot it is expensive.

They are a great system there as they have high population density and a bus comes about every 5 minutes. You don't have to stand waiting for 1/2hr like Saskatoon. Sometimes they drop you off in some scary spots .

Still use them when I go there.

[fjlip]

"You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain. "

Oh ya, consumer revolt will kill them. Sky high prices of minerals needed as they get scarce.

FIRES in batteries. Expensive disposal, ridiculous complex repair protocols. Electrical grid FAILURES, need to chose between a car and heat?

Shit storm of costs coming...