For all you EV Promoters

[blackpowder]

The NA manufacturers have stopped making sedans. Poor margin, low demand.

[Guest]

I don't seem to recall the bag phones having a battery. Perhaps there was a portable model and one meant to be left in the car? All the ones I remember using took power from the vehicle.
And don't use it unless it's an emergency because airtime was very expensive.

Nope ,they’re was a battery model also
“JJ6-5546” registered in Edmonton , remember it well ,lol
Fight for your place at the operator
And then there was the infamous call overheard by many when a fella phoned his wife to inform her that he wasn’t getting days off again
She replied “well there is going to be some ****ing going on here this weekend , if you wanna be in on it , you better be here”

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The NA manufacturers have stopped making sedans. Poor margin, low demand.

There go those pesky consumers voting with their wallets again.
Completely unacceptable. In the next 5-year plan we must build only the type of cars the consumer does not want to buy.

[blackpowder]

Nope ,they’re was a battery model also
“JJ6-5546” registered in Edmonton , remember it well ,lol
Fight for your place at the operator
And then there was the infamous call overheard by many when a fella phoned his wife to inform her that he wasn’t getting days off again
She replied “well there is going to be some ****ing going on here this weekend , if you wanna be in on it , you better be here”

Aw yes, radio telephones as well. Mine was XJ5, can't remember the rest.
Knock knock. Who's there. Dishes. Dishes who? Dishes the Shlay Lake mobel operator, who's calling?
Ya, I'm going to hell.

[Chief]

Who on this site would consider buying a 10 year old EV? Last time I checked, a 10 year old well maintained ICE vehicle still had interested buyers.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Who on this site would consider buying a 10 year old EV? Last time I checked, a 10 year old well maintained ICE vehicle still had interested buyers.

Probably the same people who would consider buying 10 a year old cordless power tool or cell phone with the original battery.

[Chief]

Exactly A5. The depreciation on these vehicles is going to make peoples heads spin until they fall off.


Right now a person who can not afford new can buy an old beater and get from a to b. If they are mechanically inclined it will keep running for many years. A used up battery in an old EV, not so much.

[blackpowder]

Years off lower and middle income people driving them that's for sure.

[Hamloc]

Read a very interesting article on Reuters this morning:”Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car.”

Where to start? Tesla’s make the battery part of the main structure of the vehicle. $20000 for a new battery on a $43000 car that depreciates quickly. Tesla won’t release diagnostics, no way to test the battery. Write off the car.

EV’s cost more to insure. 27% higher rates in the U.S.

Still working on making the batteries recyclable. In Britain first a written off car must have the battery tested for integrity so there is no risk of fire then are stacked and stored in containers.

On the plus side manufacturers are working on making the batteries easier to test and repair(except Tesla).

Anyway interesting article, not sure EV’s are an improvement in any way. Much more in the article.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Justin WestbrookWriterFile PhotoIllustratorPovi PullinenPhotographer
Aug 12, 2022

Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.

A new set of graphics from Yale Climate Connections makes visualizing the efficiency gains of an EV over an ICE vehicle straightforward. Using data from fueleconomy.gov and the U.S. Energy Information Administration, these graphics break down the energy waste in your typical gas-powered car.

The vast majority of energy wasted in an ICE vehicle is through the heat the engine produces, which you can literally feel radiating from under the hood. About 5 percent is lost through parasitic engine components including the cooling system, which draws on the engine's own energy to help cool it down, about 4 percent is lost through the mechanical friction of the drivetrain and transmission components, and another 2 percent could be lost to auxiliary electrics like heated and powered seats, lights, and infotainment systems. In total, approximately 75 to 84 percent of the original gasoline's energy is lost.

Compare that to only 31-35 percent energy loss in the average electric vehicle (average EV battery size is about 63 kWh), before factoring in potential recuperation from energy regeneration. Its losses can be broken down into approximately 10 percent of the source energy from the grid lost in the charging process, 18 percent lost to the drivetrain motor components, up to 4 percent lost to auxiliary components, and another 3 percent lost solely from powertrain cooling and other vehicle systems.

Comparing the two, "the rough math pencils out to the energy equivalent of around 2 million barrels of gasoline per day, which is a substantial savings over the 8.9 million barrels currently used," according to Yale Climate Connections. But what about the power plants used to "refuel" those electric cars? Are they any more efficient than gas-powered cars? Well, yes. Much more efficient, in most cases.

"Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars. If EVs were charged by natural gas, the total energy demand for highway transportation would fall by nearly half. Add in hydropower or other renewables, and the result gets even better, saving up to three-fourths of the energy currently used by gasoline-powered vehicles," according to Yale Climate Connections. Right now, all of that energy is getting lost mostly to heat. What a waste. For more facts and figures, read the full Yale Climate Connections report here.

[chuckChuck]

It turns out that to electrify personal transportation doesn't require as much new electricity as the naysayers claim because EVs are so much more efficient than very inefficient ICE vehicles.

[chuckChuck]

It turns out that to electrify personal transportation doesn't require as much new electricity as the naysayers claim because EVs are so much more efficient than very inefficient ICE vehicles.

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This will make it easier to read I hope.