For all you EV Promoters

[chuckChuck]

So what industry or economy succeeds with the idea we shouldn't increase productivity by becoming more efficient - more output with less inputs.

ICEs are 20% efficient while EVs are 80-90% efficient.

80% of the energy of gasoline used for transportation is wasted because of the inefficiency of ICEs.

And it's wrong to assume that EVs will never come down in relative cost nor improve their technology.

We shouldn't keep using oil for transportation energy just because we need the tax revenue of the oil industry.

Governments can easily figure out how to find revenue from other sources.

[chuckChuck]

And regardless, such figures are quite meaningless in reality. For example, Saudi Arabia calculates that oil at gas only account for less than 1/3 of their gdp. In reality, if you removed that revenue, the rest of those economic sectors would cease to exist. There would be no government programs, no retail sector etc. Same thing is true here of course. All of the spin-off economic benefits of the energy sector are counted separately as their own category.

Potash alone generates more direct revenue than oil and gas. And then there are other non renewable resource revenues.

Is potash going to cease to exist? I doubt it. Is agriculture going to cease to exist? What about mining? Nope.

Alberta is certainly more dependent and there will still be an oil industry for other uses.

And how will Crypto Polly stop the transition to EVs? Ontario is counting on their economic benefits.

[fjlip]

Only works with Gov $billions$, try with market forces only...math is crap.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good news for any of us who are nostalgic about the bagphones.
The anti smartphone rotary cell phone has now been invented.

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2020/02/justine-haupt-rotary-cellphone/

[chuckChuck]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Justin WestbrookWriterFile PhotoIllustratorPovi PullinenPhotographer
Aug 12, 2022

Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.

A new set of graphics from Yale Climate Connections makes visualizing the efficiency gains of an EV over an ICE vehicle straightforward. Using data from fueleconomy.gov and the U.S. Energy Information Administration, these graphics break down the energy waste in your typical gas-powered car.

The vast majority of energy wasted in an ICE vehicle is through the heat the engine produces, which you can literally feel radiating from under the hood. About 5 percent is lost through parasitic engine components including the cooling system, which draws on the engine's own energy to help cool it down, about 4 percent is lost through the mechanical friction of the drivetrain and transmission components, and another 2 percent could be lost to auxiliary electrics like heated and powered seats, lights, and infotainment systems. In total, approximately 75 to 84 percent of the original gasoline's energy is lost.

Compare that to only 31-35 percent energy loss in the average electric vehicle (average EV battery size is about 63 kWh), before factoring in potential recuperation from energy regeneration. Its losses can be broken down into approximately 10 percent of the source energy from the grid lost in the charging process, 18 percent lost to the drivetrain motor components, up to 4 percent lost to auxiliary components, and another 3 percent lost solely from powertrain cooling and other vehicle systems.

Comparing the two, "the rough math pencils out to the energy equivalent of around 2 million barrels of gasoline per day, which is a substantial savings over the 8.9 million barrels currently used," according to Yale Climate Connections. But what about the power plants used to "refuel" those electric cars? Are they any more efficient than gas-powered cars? Well, yes. Much more efficient, in most cases.

"Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars. If EVs were charged by natural gas, the total energy demand for highway transportation would fall by nearly half. Add in hydropower or other renewables, and the result gets even better, saving up to three-fourths of the energy currently used by gasoline-powered vehicles," according to Yale Climate Connections. Right now, all of that energy is getting lost mostly to heat. What a waste. For more facts and figures, read the full Yale Climate Connections report here.

[chuckChuck]

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/electrifying-transportation-reduces-emissions-and-saves-massive-amounts-of-energy/

Electrifying transportation reduces emissions AND saves massive amounts of energy
Electric vehicles are far more energy-efficient than traditional internal combustion vehicles.
Karin Kirk
by Karin Kirk August 7, 2022

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 an equivalent EV model of an ICE model costs more initially. The equivalent 2024 Chev Blazer EV to the 2023 ICE Blazer I bought is $10000 more. Insurance is higher. Plus the EV is projected to depreciate faster. So not cheaper to run.

The University Profs doing all the computer models are cut from the same cloth that tell me I should be on Covid shot #5 by now. Also the same people telling me that intermittent power sources like wind and solar are a technological advancement even though they require a third generation source for dependable output.

[shtferbrains]

Did your new Lightning pickup come in yet Chuck? Sooner you get it the more you save?

[fjlip]

Cause the price will never be cheaper, as the scarce minerals skyrocket due to demand.

EU passed a law to cancel ICE vehicles by 2035, plan ahead boys.

[Stormin]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Justin WestbrookWriterFile PhotoIllustratorPovi PullinenPhotographer
Aug 12, 2022

So, who gives a flying fu(k? We could also all drive some shit can like a smart car, and some people do, but most people want a decent comfortable car that is going to protect them or get them out of trouble if they are on an icy road or something like that.
In New Zealand where gas is $4.00/liter people still want to drive powerful cars or inefficient pickup trucks. So let people drive what they want to, if they think they can afford to, or need it to do a particular task.

[furrowtickler]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/implausibility-net-zero-carbon-energy-future-now-obvious

From article ….

[fjlip]

There is intelligent life in the EU!

Chucky crying.