Massive Farm Protest in Belgium

[shtferbrains]

You may not get a rebuttal that has anything to do with the topic but Chack will be back.

[blackpowder]

Then I hope he allows me the assumption that he believes I am all that's wrong with the world as I him. Also, that neither gives a flying fk what the other thinks of himself. I do not wish a point by point debate when a simple "you're full of shit" or an "I disagree" will do. The quintessential 'pig in the mud' scenario.
If only we had real lobby groups that saw it the same way.

[chuckChuck]

A whole lot of heat (politics) but little light from some of the responses! LOL

A5 congratulated me on what I posted and seemed to have little dispute with what I posted and then went on in another post to tell us everything that is wrong in several other areas of unrelated policy in his "opinion".

If most farmers aren't soil testing every field, how do they know how to adjust the rates of fertilizer to follow the 4Rs? Its a simple question but no one answered it.

I am not saying a lot of farmers are not doing a good and efficient job, but there is room for improvement. And according to Mario Tenuta an expert on 4Rs, the research backs him up.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You are right chuck, and I apologize for using you as a bad example in my post. You had been nothing but civil in this thread until then, it was uncalled for for me to make the inflammatory remark that I did, and I have now edited it accordingly.
Not only did you make three consecutive posts about a topic pertinent to agriculture, you did so without using any LOL's, flat Earth comments, racist labels, or insults. Even better yet, you offered actual potential solutions from relevant sources. Thank you again for contributing to such an important topic. You do have a lot to contribute when you manage to avoid the provocative incendiary comments.
Let's keep this civil discussion going.
So, which of the suggested solutions have you implemented or will you implement on your farm?
How do the economics work out in your area?
Is your season long enough for stand alone cover crops?

[blackpowder]

Ya, dealers will tell you a lot don't test. I don't bring it up. No farmer ever admits to anything or shares info.
An experienced researcher is not experienced at practical interpretation and implementation. His job is counting only. He should not be treated as if knowledge in one implies ability in the other. Essentially he knows the science but not what he's talking about.
If you understand that you can do better.

[jazz]

So chuck advocates the govt confiscating farms by force just to regulate a few pounds of fertilizer and sacrifice the business to the fake climate gods.

So typical, marxist playbook stuff.

Hopefully Putin can take out the WEF clowns before this becomes a thing.

[blackpowder]

Aw shit he's kept it bottled up quite well and now you go and do that.

[chuckChuck]

Ya, dealers will tell you a lot don't test. I don't bring it up. No farmer ever admits to anything or shares info.
An experienced researcher is not experienced at practical interpretation and implementation. His job is counting only. He should not be treated as if knowledge in one implies ability in the other. Essentially he knows the science but not what he's talking about.
If you understand that you can do better.

Huh?

Some farmers have independent agronomists that review soil sample results and make fertilizer and cropping recommendations.

They are using the science from the research and on the ground results to make decisions.

Some agronomists said that after the 2021 drought some farms didn't know how much carryover of nutrients they had and were about to over fertilizer some of their fields.

If you don't soil test how do you know for sure what you got?

And of course some agronomists from input suppliers are more likely to tell you not to test and put the same rate on every field.

For one thing there is not enough soil testing capacity in place to handle all the potential soil testing.

But its an obvious area of potential improvement.

[blackpowder]

A researcher as in your posted article is experienced at research, not getting the necessary job done. Nor seeing the whole puzzle. He counts in his own little area. A supply accountant running the whole business. If you own your own business you understand what I'm saying and can do better. In your business and in your posts.
By the way. Am considering a NIR system on combine to record protein and or oil content in real time. Correlation to N usage and requirements. Prescription map at N application.
No Fezziwig that never wrote a check needs to mandate that. If it pays, I'll do it. As will my competition elsewhere. Hoping you understand this.

[blackpowder]

And a tiny bit further.
All those years we chased Protein premiums, long before VR, we were wasting N as the yield response curve tips over at about 12%.