Electric.

[LWeber]

[QUOTE=LWeber;564818]Meota... nah
He will return after this short flight...

BlackBerry was so much more secure:

[shtferbrains]

From Bloomberg:

"To secure the massive new VW battery plant, Canada signed an unprecedented contract with the company to offer up to $13 billion in production subsidies over 10 years."

For comparison or relative values;

Suncor Fort Hills complete project estimated cost $17 billion. 194,000 BPD.

New build "low carbon" NH3 plant cost $2 billion.1.4 million te/yr

Not hard to see why CRA is negotiating for 30% raise. These clowns have no concept of monetary value.

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The CWB debate was over a long time ago. Are some of you guys having trouble moving on? LOL

But nobody has answered my question. You guys often rant on about government over reach, intervention and the lack of property rights.

But how come the free marketers support government regulation and intervention to take away landowners rights to deal with oil companies who want access to their land?

You should have fought that legislation in 1968. Are you having trouble moving on?

Your question has been answered. Several solutions were presented. You choose to repeat yourself for only reasons you know.

[Hamloc]

The CWB debate was over a long time ago. Are some of you guys having trouble moving on? LOL

But nobody has answered my question. You guys often rant on about government over reach, intervention and the lack of property rights.

But how come the free marketers support government regulation and intervention to take away landowners rights to deal with oil companies who want access to their land?

Chuck2, I own the top 12 inches. The Province owns what lies beneath, they have the mineral rights, I do not. They have the right to access what they own.

[chuckChuck]

The CWB debate was over a long time ago. Are some of you guys having trouble moving on? LOL

But nobody has answered my question. You guys often rant on about government over reach, intervention and the lack of property rights.

But how come the free marketers support government regulation and intervention to take away landowners rights to deal with oil companies who want access to their land?

[LWeber]

In my RM here in the sw corner , there is a lot of tax revenue that comes from the gas companies . Let me tell you , the scenarios of what the taxes would be like without that revenue are basically this : Cutting Back on on a lot of services because the RM cannot afford to do them any longer.

Being on RM council , even though it was a thankless job for a few years , does provide some insight. RM amalgamation is going to be a reality in the near future .

Just my opinion.

Meota... nah
He will return after these messages from his sponsor...

[GALAXIE500]

In my home county, industry pays 93% of the property taxes, that's almost entirely oil and gas facilities.
I forget the exact number, but farmland is only one or two percent. It would be an unthinkable shock to the system if that goes away.

In my RM here in the sw corner , there is a lot of tax revenue that comes from the gas companies . Let me tell you , the scenarios of what the taxes would be like without that revenue are basically this : Cutting Back on on a lot of services because the RM cannot afford to do them any longer.

Being on RM council , even though it was a thankless job for a few years , does provide some insight. RM amalgamation is going to be a reality in the near future .

Just my opinion.

[WiltonRanch]

Interesting. Would you consider cc. to be a slick farmer. I can't seem to distinguish the difference between him and an equivalent land man.

The first one of the slick we dealt with became what we would call a future friend. Still visit with him, at his city business, to catch up on the industry.

First meeting with him, he informed us that he was there working on behalf of the oil company interests, not ours. That was a bad start introduction, as most of us realize that a land person has a dual role to work for the land owner as well, even though you are not paying him.

Getting back to how we then dealt with him after hearing him out on what his bosses wanted from us. We listed our concerns with the proposal, and ended with, "we will sign whatever document your bosses have right now, but let us assure you that you and your business will never be back to deal with us again".

There was a light bulb moment from him. "Give me 15 minutes to revisit the drill location". Back he comes 15 minutes later with, "I see what you are talking about. I'll made your changes". Thirty deals later, it took no more than a few minutes to hash out what was needed , and we would spend the remaining time on things that matter.

It's all about reaching ground rule standards from square one, and not changing them frequently. cc., as a land man, would not last.

WiltonRanch, since you brought this up, how did you handle "slick"?

So pretty much exactly the same scenario as you laid out here. Oil company would run a lease road wherever they damn well pleased in our hills if it was the cheapest. Father hated seeing roads winding all over cutting up quarters. Keep roads on the square and things stay square. Neighbours in the hills would let them run roads wherever and it rendered those fields pasture. Anyway, one particular land man wanted to snake a road around while the road allowance was adjacent. We stuck to our guns and it worked out. Same particular land man we got into it over another particular manner and after that we requested a different person to see us. The relationship was a lot better with that person and succeeding others because they knew what our expectations were and were willing to make things work. The other person had a company man mindset which didn’t work dealing with landowners. The other thing is farmers talk with one another as do oil guys talk with one another about landowners. Word gets around.

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I don’t deny they exist. I just told you of problems I see so you’re preaching to the choir and any of us with wells know about it. Don’t worry we’ve dealt with our share of slick land men and had our battles too. Pipeline right of ways they don’t pay enough for the future pain in the ass. There is always room for improvement. Kinda like getting rid of the CWB has done wonders but we could do with a farmers advocate with teeth and mandated sales reports. There’s always room to do better.

Interesting. Would you consider cc. to be a slick farmer. I can't seem to distinguish the difference between him and an equivalent land man.

The first one of the slick we dealt with became what we would call a future friend. Still visit with him, at his city business, to catch up on the industry.

First meeting with him, he informed us that he was there working on behalf of the oil company interests, not ours. That was a bad start introduction, as most of us realize that a land person has a dual role to work for the land owner as well, even though you are not paying him.

Getting back to how we then dealt with him after hearing him out on what his bosses wanted from us. We listed our concerns with the proposal, and ended with, "we will sign whatever document your bosses have right now, but let us assure you that you and your business will never be back to deal with us again".

There was a light bulb moment from him. "Give me 15 minutes to revisit the drill location". Back he comes 15 minutes later with, "I see what you are talking about. I'll made your changes". Thirty deals later, it took no more than a few minutes to hash out what was needed , and we would spend the remaining time on things that matter.

It's all about reaching ground rule standards from square one, and not changing them frequently. cc., as a land man, would not last.

WiltonRanch, since you brought this up, how did you handle "slick"?

[WiltonRanch]

How come the free marketers support government regulation and intervention to take away landowners rights to deal with oil companies who want access to their land?

Now you’re worried about property rights and personal freedom. Geeze that is an about face for an old CWB bully. You are being or just plain are disingenuous.