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Some oil companies are more reasonable than others in negotiating leases. But the reality is that they have the power to force you to accept pipelines and leases whether you want them or not. And the government gives them this access through regulation and law.

Its an industry that claims to support a free market, but enjoys government protection and regulation from free market negotiation to access land.

Your assumption that all oil companies treat landowners fairly is not backed up by the reality.

Most of them nickle and dime unsuspecting landowners when ever possible and in many cases fail to clean up old wells, leases and batteries because the costs to do so, is incredibly high.

And there are stiil lots of facilities leaking H2S and flaring large amounts of gas polluting nearby farms and communities

What you are saying is "you attract the more unreasonable ones". That sounds like you would make a perfect land person for them with that mindset.

I don't believe I said that all oil companies treat landowners fairly. I said relatively new tech can stand up to your argument that they won't, or can't locate off your property. Even the concept of, "as the crow fly" pipelines do not have to be agreed to. Most of us only require least disturbance, or least impact placement on what you want to do with that surface, That may even require the insistence that flow lines be horizontally drilled under your 11.83 inches of surface control. The cost is equal to track hoeing.

Replace oil companies with, oh let's say "wind farm company, solar farm company, maybe how the CWB operated though government regulation, would you then be capable of seeing the problem of property owner control of surface to the total exclusion of rights below by a second party. I'd see chaos.

Your problem is that you don't like oil and gas, but that we need it for base load into the future.

[chuckChuck]

That statement I don't entirely agree with, at least in Saskatchewan.

Government can give access to someone's land, but it does not have to be your land if your vehement about not wanting their development, or feel their offer is too weak. cc., you need to tune your negotiating skills with land people as locations are not often fixed with horizontal tech.

They operate off formulas, and personally I think $400-450/acre net replacement is a fair offer for a conventional crop return around here. Expand your thought process as there are many non monetary things that won't immediately add digits to your bank account that an oil company will do for you on their dime.

You don't want it on your land, that's good, because that generally makes it one less landowner that would accept it at less than formula.

I can see you doing it though being the old CWB formula guy!. lol

Some oil companies are more reasonable than others in negotiating leases. But the reality is that they have the power to force you to accept pipelines and leases whether you want them or not. And the government gives them this access through regulation and law.

Its an industry that claims to support a free market, but enjoys government protection and regulation from free market negotiation to access land.

Your assumption that all oil companies treat landowners fairly is not backed up by the reality.

Most of them nickle and dime unsuspecting landowners when ever possible and in many cases fail to clean up old wells, leases and batteries because the costs to do so, is incredibly high.

And there are stiil lots of facilities leaking H2S and flaring large amounts of gas polluting nearby farms and communities

[chuckChuck]

Yep must be a canadian resident or landed immigrant in order to purchase farmland. A non- canadian can own up to 2 acres..

The same in Saskatchewan.

But Canadian residents and non farming investor corporations like Andjelic land can buy up all the land they want and prevent other farms from buying land.

So do you want non farming corporate investors taking over more and more farm land and out competing farmers for ownership?

[chuckChuck]

Resident status of shareholders is required… many family farm corporations own land… is that a problem for you?

Cheers

Not at all. I am share holder in my own family farm corporation.

But I do have a problem with outside corporate investors from god knows where bankrolling corporate family mega farms that squeeze out all the smaller farms. They are a front for foreign investors to take over.

[goalieguy847]

Chuck, it is against the law in Alberta for nonresidents to own farm land. When we buy agricultural land we must prove resident status to purchase agricultural land.

Know the facts before accusing people of false accusations please.

Cheers

Yep must be a canadian resident or landed immigrant in order to purchase farmland. A non- canadian can own up to 2 acres..

[jazz]

Have you seen what geese and ducks do to waterways chuck. Lot more damage than our cattle do.

Everybody knows they WEF clowns are trying to use clueless natives to find a backdoor way into our constitution and provincial autonomy to install UNDRIP which is basically another interest registered on your title.

Imagine opening your title up and seeing your bank, maybe sasktel/saskpower with easement interests and then a line item for Treaty 4 or some shit in there too.

Link that up with some sustainability garbage and its basically unelected extra-national control of sovereign countries. Pay your sustainability check off and native reparation check off when you deliver grain.

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That being said Alberta and Saskatchewan give the oil industry easy access to your land to do what they want. You have no choice but to accept their take over of your land and if you try to stop it they take you to the government appointed arbitration board where you will lose.

Funny enough the oil industry likes these regulations that take the leasing of land out of the free market negotiation process. At the same time they regularly bitch about all the other government regulations while raking in record profits! LOL

That statement I don't entirely agree with, at least in Saskatchewan.

Government can give access to someone's land, but it does not have to be your land if your vehement about not wanting their development, or feel their offer is too weak. cc., you need to tune your negotiating skills with land people as locations are not often fixed with horizontal tech.

They operate off formulas, and personally I think $400-450/acre net replacement is a fair offer for a conventional crop return around here. Expand your thought process as there are many non monetary things that won't immediately add digits to your bank account that an oil company will do for you on their dime.

You don't want it on your land, that's good, because that generally makes it one less landowner that would accept it at less than formula.

I can see you doing it though being the old CWB formula guy!. lol

[TOM4CWB]

But corporate investors can still own land correct? But you must be a resident of Alberta to own farmland in Alberta?

Because in Saskatchewan non residents of Saskatchewan like Andjelic Land can own farm land.

Resident status of shareholders is required… many family farm corporations own land… is that a problem for you?

Cheers

[chuckChuck]

is some areas in holland government wants to take over farms by force , get the farmers off the land , is that something you would support here ? would you walk away from your farm ?

That already happens here with government expropriation for highways, power lines, and other developments. And with the oil industry and other mineral development you have almost no choice but to give up your land.

And Conservative governments across Canada support these powers of expropriation and surface access.

I don't know what is happening in Holland. It is a very different country with different issues and laws.

The planned reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from fertilizers in Canada is a voluntary program. No one is being forced out of farming by a voluntary program.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck, it is against the law in Alberta for nonresidents to own farm land. When we buy agricultural land we must prove resident status to purchase agricultural land.

Know the facts before accusing people of false accusations please.

Cheers

But corporate investors can still own land correct? But you must be a resident of Alberta to own farmland in Alberta?

Because in Saskatchewan non residents of Saskatchewan like Andjelic Land can own farm land.