Electric.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So Quebec, the biggest producer of hydropower in Canada got to greedy and now is asking consumers to conserve electricity, go figure!!

It's almost as if the there might be a mathematical limitation to everyone trying to rob Peter to pay Paul.

Which seems to be the plan, as every power grid sabotages their own reliability, intending to draw excess from elsewhere when the sun doesn't shine, and wind doesn't blow. We are finding out what happens when we run out of Peter's to rob from.

[Hamloc]

First quarter results from Ford. Total vehicles sold, 1.1 million. Total EV’s sold, same time period, 12000. Still expecting to lose $3 billion this year on the Electric Vehicles Division. Real world so much different than computer models and government fantasy.

[chuckChuck]

No doubt the auto industry is all wrong about the adoption of EVs!

In the horse and buggy era you were probably the same guys who said ICE cars would never work!

[Hamloc]

No doubt the auto industry is all wrong about the adoption of EVs!

In the horse and buggy era you were probably the same guys who said ICE cars would never work!

Enjoyed this article. Talks about how electric cars were actually first built before ICE cars. Good read Chuck2.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

No doubt the auto industry is all wrong about the adoption of EVs!

There you go with the broad sweeping generalizations again.
Not all of the automakers are wrong.
For example, the former CEO of Toyota who admits there is no future in electric vehicles.
And revealed that the other automakers admit the same thing in private.
https://www.businessinsider.com/toyo...e-2022-12?op=14
The only automakers who are wrong are the ones who are purely electric vehicle manufacturers. The market will sort them out eventually.

[shtferbrains]

No doubt the auto industry is all wrong about the adoption of EVs!

In the horse and buggy era you were probably the same guys who said ICE cars would never work!

The auto industry is not adopting EV production.
Progressive government leadership is legislating it in the rich countries.
China will again be the winner as they are already the largest exporter, with Tesla the largest percentage of the total.
Rich countries including Canada and USA will try subsidies and tariffs to compete but that just makes product more expensive. Advantage China.
China also has huge advantages in raw materials.
Takes 12 years to get copper mine in production in the west. Over half that time is pre start up regulatory and greasing politicians at all levels including the indigenous.
How can you have EV's dominating the market by 2035 if you can't supply permits for the mines?
Government boondoggle in progress.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The auto industry is not adopting EV production.
Progressive government leadership is legislating it in the rich countries.
China will again be the winner as they are already the largest exporter, with Tesla the largest percentage of the total.
Rich countries including Canada and USA will try subsidies and tariffs to compete but that just makes product more expensive. Advantage China.
China also has huge advantages in raw materials.
Takes 12 years to get copper mine in production in the west. Over half that time is pre start up regulatory and greasing politicians at all levels including the indigenous.
How can you have EV's dominating the market by 2035 if you can't supply permits for the mines?
Government boondoggle in progress.

Feature or bug?
Either all of the policy makers are as gullible and scientifically illiterate as chuck, and this is just a bug, or else they have an agenda and the physical impossibility of it all is the intentional feature.

[chuckChuck]

The oil industry in Alberta received massive subsidies, incentives and government help to attract investment in the oil sands.

The royalty rates were purposely kept very low until the tar sands producers paid off their capital investments. A big fat subsidy which you don't want to talk about!

But the usual suspects are more than willing to criticize any incentives or subsidies for the EV auto sector or any low carbon technology?

And Danny Smith wanted taxpayers to pay for the cleanup of oil wells! How is this not another glaring subsidy to a very profitable industry?

Some of you are very selective in your complaining about subsidies to industry. LOL

[WiltonRanch]

The oil industry in Alberta received massive subsidies, incentives and government help to attract investment in the oil sands.

The royalty rates were purposely kept very low until the tar sands producers paid off their capital investments. A big fat subsidy which you don't want to talk about!

But the usual suspects are more than willing to criticize any incentives or subsidies for the EV auto sector or any low carbon technology?

And Danny Smith wanted taxpayers to pay for the cleanup of oil wells! How is this not another glaring subsidy to a very profitable industry?

Some of you are very selective in your complaining about subsidies to industry. LOL

Chuck your red is bleeding through in your rhetoric again. Tar sands? Come on.

[TOM4CWB]

Chuck your red is bleeding through in your rhetoric again. Tar sands? Come on.

CC… selective memory much….

The whole “Green Revolution “ EV… “renewable energy “ sector is government induced, regulatory backed, subsidized by “incentives “ that are taxpayer funded…

Alberta is prosperous…. Primarily Because of our nonrenewable energy development… mining, forestry, agriculture… energy being sold from solar and wind… is uneconomic and not sustainable… without the prosperity of the rest of our economy cross subsidized incentives.

Your rose coloured glasses are blindfolding your perception!

Blessings and Prayers

[chuckChuck]

But you still don't want to acknowledge that the oil industry in Alberta has been and still is a recipient of subsidies, incentives, and government help? LOL

[cropgrower]

But you still don't want to acknowledge that the oil industry in Alberta has been and still is a recipient of subsidies, incentives, and government help? LOL

The government gets a huge amount back in tax on fuel etc , any subsidies would have been a great investment , lots of good paying jobs as well as the tax , only problem is how that tax money gets then wasted by the clowns in ottawa

[chuckChuck]

So subsidies to the oil industry are a good investment that creates jobs and economic activity but the subsidies to EVs and battery manufacturing are not, even though they do the same thing? LOL

[cropgrower]

Battreys just store energy , not make energy , EV is pointless unless you charge it off a wind turbine or solar pannel , just make a clueless person think they are saving the plannet

[chuckChuck]

Battreys just store energy , not make energy , EV is pointless unless you charge it off a wind turbine or solar pannel , just make a clueless person think they are saving the plannet

Crop, EVs are about 80% efficient compared to about 20% for ICE vehicles.

Even charged with fossil fuels EVs are still more efficient than ICEs at putting energy to work and reducing emissions.

And Canada has 60% of its electricity from hydro. And is building a lot of renewables and planning for more nuclear. All low carbon options.

Try again! LOL