Emergency evaluations…

[Guest]

I'm breaking in briefly then out.
Chuck does not know his arse from a hole in the ground. Nothing but a shtstain.
I'm not from Ft Mac but know people who are. There were oldtimers who stayed behind after evac to build berms and guards with their own equipment. At their OWN risk. Did not ask for help, and knew a heck of a lot more about what they were doing than some college boy. Yes they could have been killed. It's possible they potentially risked EMS.
What I have been told is that they saved property. Their own way. In the spirit that built the place. And that looters were caught but strangely enough, the police were never called......
We need a little more Yellowstone and a lot less BtchHills 90210. Get your liability waiver signed, pull up your skirt and f off. Now I'll do the same.

Missed ya !

[WiltonRanch]

Who would be making the decision at the critical time when the out of control wild fire is a 1/2 mile to a mile away which ranch, farmyard, acreage, or even a house in a town has an adequate fire proof defense system to ward off an out of control wild fire.

We all know there would be those who would argue they're just as fire proof as the farmer next door who didn't have to evacuate their property because someone at the moment deem them fire proof.

Unless there are pre arranged Provincial Fire Proof Codes for properties. who would know which property could survive an out of control wild fire

Fire ambers with the right conditions can easily travel well over a mile, how do you prepare for that scenario.

I have fought wild fires and have had one fire get away on me. I'll tell you one thing, I never felt so helpless in my life when that fire got away on me, even with fire guards in place.

Just saying!

Oh ya one other thing, a property can be fire proof, but how many are able to be smoke proof. How do you breathe when your property is completely taken over by wild fire smoke?

It is a helpless feeling when the embers blow overtop of you and all you did was in vain or the wind changes direction and burns back over what you thought you saved. The fort Mac fire was proof of incompetent government not heeding warnings from locals who advocated to knock down bush to stop the encroaching fire from crowning. Something like 1000 cats in the vicinity which were offered by companies only to be refused by forestry. Other day there was a wildfire moving on a farm and a guy I know was driving by hauling a 6. He walked it off and bermed a fire break which saved the farm. It’s a tough call to make when you have to abandon your farm but if the jack boots go commando on you it is no better than the keystone cops knocking in doors at High River and taking peoples guns during the flood. It’s a perception thing the RCMP keeps on stuffing up. No one trusts them or the Feds.

[chuckChuck]

The anti government bullshit on this site just keeps growing higher and higher.

The counties, local government, have boots on the ground and a strong connection to the local communities. They work hand in hand with provincial governments during an emergency.

In many cases landowners can help fight fires and protect their own property. In other cases they need to evacuate.

Does the local guy fighting a fire have the overview, coordination and communication resources of the counties, province and emergency organizations? Not likely. Can they call in the heavy equipment and water bombers on short notice? Nope. When resources are limited who and what gets priority attention?

Its like going into battle without a plan or any coordination. Everybody just does their own thing. Do you really think that is best way to fight an out of control fire?

The anti government types will often criticize every decision they disagree with, but as soon as there is a disaster aid program, they will still line up for a handout from the government.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The anti government bullshit on this site just keeps growing higher and higher.

The counties, local government, have boots on the ground and a strong connection to the local communities. They work hand in hand with provincial governments during an emergency.

In many cases landowners can help fight fires and protect their own property. In other cases they need to evacuate.

Does the local guy fighting a fire have the overview, coordination and communication resources of the counties, province and emergency organizations? Not likely. Can they call in the heavy equipment and water bombers on short notice? Nope. When resources are limited who and what gets priority attention?

Its like going into battle without a plan or any coordination. Everybody just does their own thing. Do you really think that is best way to fight an out of control fire?

The anti government types will often criticize every decision they disagree with, but as soon as there is a disaster aid program, they will still line up for a handout from the government.

Yes of course, the government always knows what is best for the uninformed peasants.

[blueversi]

Magical?

Did you miss the week of near 30 degree heat and 50km winds from the SE? Or is that average and happens every other year on the 3rd of May?

Was almost 7 years to the day since Ft Mac. Maybe that was antifa too since fires don’t actually happen during fire season unless there’s a political motive behind them.

Wasn’t the Fort Mcmurray fire also because of a controlled burn?

[blackpowder]

The anti government bullshit on this site just keeps growing higher and higher.

The counties, local government, have boots on the ground and a strong connection to the local communities. They work hand in hand with provincial governments during an emergency.

In many cases landowners can help fight fires and protect their own property. In other cases they need to evacuate.

Does the local guy fighting a fire have the overview, coordination and communication resources of the counties, province and emergency organizations? Not likely. Can they call in the heavy equipment and water bombers on short notice? Nope. When resources are limited who and what gets priority attention?

Its like going into battle without a plan or any coordination. Everybody just does their own thing. Do you really think that is best way to fight an out of control fire?

The anti government types will often criticize every decision they disagree with, but as soon as there is a disaster aid program, they will still line up for a handout from the government.

Agriville often nothing more than a tiresome shouting match. Many here are firmly entrenched in the extreme, including yourself.
I agree with your questions here.
I suppose the difference between foolhardy and brave is outcome.

[sumdumguy]

Chuck, you ought to read the comments on CBC article calling out Trudeau government for not appointed new judges as judges leave the bench for whatever reason. Even CBC can’t find anyone who likes or defends your boy wonder. Seems everyone has had about 7 years too much of the human wrecking ball.

[Blaithin]

Wasn’t the Fort Mcmurray fire also because of a controlled burn?

I don’t recall that it was a controlled burn, I thought it was just an idiot that didn’t put their fire out properly during a fire ban. But I’m not sure if I ever seen anything confirming that either so it could have been an escaped control.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So in today's society, the government is openly encouraging dangerous drug use, then spending enormous police, and medical resources dealing with the predictable consequences. Creating huge waiting lines for emergency rooms, police who are too busy to respond to genuine criminal activities, while these drug addicts become career criminals, overwhelming the court system, and creating a homeless pandemic, straining all the resources that go along with that.
But when productive law abiding citizens are heroically willing to risk their own lives and livelihoods to protect public and private property, livestock, infrastructure etc, they are demonized and threatened. Under the excuse that by doing the right thing, they are risking straining the resources of the emergency response services who may need to intervene if things go wrong.

Does anyone see any hypocrisy in this?

[Blaithin]

So in today's society, the government is openly encouraging dangerous drug use, then spending enormous police, and medical resources dealing with the predictable consequences. Creating huge waiting lines for emergency rooms, police who are too busy to respond to genuine criminal activities, while these drug addicts become career criminals, overwhelming the court system, and creating a homeless pandemic, straining all the resources that go along with that.
But when productive law abiding citizens are heroically willing to risk their own lives and livelihoods to protect public and private property, livestock, infrastructure etc, they are demonized and threatened. Under the excuse that by doing the right thing, they are risking straining the resources of the emergency response services who may need to intervene if things go wrong.

Does anyone see any hypocrisy in this?

Whoa. This needs distinguishing.

BC is opening encouraging dangerous drug use.

AB is actually trying to pass involuntary commitment for addicts.

This is why people can’t compared all governments as the same. Each one has its different approaches and those approaches can and do change.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Whoa. This needs distinguishing.

BC is opening encouraging dangerous drug use.

AB is actually trying to pass involuntary commitment for addicts.

This is why people can’t compared all governments as the same. Each one has its different approaches and those approaches can and do change.

They are changing out of necessity because they have been an unmitigated disaster.

But first, governments had to repeat the experiment all over the developed world.

[Blaithin]

They are changing out of necessity because they have been an unmitigated disaster.

But first, governments had to repeat the experiment all over the developed world.

Alberta never encouraged dangerous drug use. Unless you’re calling pot dangerous?

BC is not changing. Them and Trudeau have criticized ABs approach as barbaric and inhumane. They are fully invested in the give them drug access, give them safe consumption sites, path.

Within AB you will find some cities that created safe injection sites, like Red Deer, but the legalization of small amounts of hard drugs was never implemented or even brought forward as a provincial bill.

There are two places in the world with involuntary commitment. Alberta working towards it, and Paraguay I believe, that implemented it years ago.