Solar power due to overtake oil production investment for first time, IEA says

[TOM4CWB]

CC… so in the winter…. When it is-40…When Canadians /Albertans …need energy to stop from freezing to death…. The electrical grid is dead and then what???

Forced Suicide…. Is normally called MURDER.

Blessings and Prayers for rain!

[chuckChuck]

CC… so in the winter…. When it is-40…When Canadians /Albertans …need energy to stop from freezing to death…. The electrical grid is dead and then what???

Forced Suicide…. Is normally called MURDER.

Blessings and Prayers for rain!

Forced suicide and murder if Alberta choose more renewables? LOL Tom you are losing it man.

You can keep the gas plants for backup Tom. Gas plants are very flexible. And maybe Nuclear along with imports will provide backup as well.

Do you really have so little faith in the corporate utilities and the AESO that they haven't thought of backup for intermittent renewables?

You run your farm and leave the utility management to the utilities who's job it is to figure this out.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Read the article more closely.

"Around US$2.8-trillion is set to be invested in energy worldwide in 2023, of which more than US$1.7-trillion is expected to go to renewables, nuclear power, electric vehicles and efficiency improvements.

The rest, or around US$1-trillion, will go to oil, gas and coal, demand for the last of which will reach and all-time high or six times the level needed in 2030 to reach net zero by 2050.

Current fossil-fuel spending is significantly higher than what it should be to reach the goal of net zero by midcentury, the agency said.

In 2023, solar-power spending is due to hit more than US$1-billion a day or around US$380-billion on a yearly basis."

The $1.7 Trillion includes nuclear which many seem to support. Even though its the most expensive option.

10 years ago none of you would have thought Alberta would have stopped using coal for electricity by 2023. But that's about to happen.

So I don't put much credence in climate change deniers arm chair analysis. It usually is a lot of hot air mixed with excessive hyperbole and a lot of misinformation.

Even Smith and Moe are advocating net zero electricity by 2044 and 2050. Quite remarkable considering their continued ranting about Ottawa.

Thank you for proving my point Chuck. That all you do is repeat a headline that you think supports your bias, without bothering to understand the issue at all, or in this case, without even reading the article to see that it actually contradicts the headline.
You repeated the headline that investment in solar will overtake investment in oil, over and over again. Yet the article does not make any such claim. In fact solar investment will be 38% as much as investment in fossil fuels according to the actual article. So instead of solar being 100 times more expensive per unit of energy produced, as your original headline claimed, it is only 40 times more expensive than fossil fuels.
Hamloc was making fun of the fact that you never read any articles by admitting he hadn't read it. Looks like you didn't read it either.
So, where is your faux outrage about spreading fake news, when you are the one spreading fake news?

[cropgrower]

Forced suicide and murder if Alberta choose more renewables? LOL Tom you are losing it man.

You can keep the gas plants for backup Tom. Gas plants are very flexible. And maybe Nuclear along with imports will provide backup as well.

Do you really have so little faith in the corporate utilities and the AESO that they haven't thought of backup for intermittent renewables?

You run your farm and leave the utility management to the utilities who's job it is to figure this out.

So the Gas plants would be turning on and off every time the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shineing ?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So the Gas plants would be turning on and off every time the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shineing ?

It's actually much worse than that. The efficient modern combined cycle gas generation doesn't work in that ramp up ramp down situation. So all of the peaker plants are simple cycle which are about half as efficient, therefore twice as much CO2 per unit of power produced. And they still can't ramp up and down from zero, so they are running at standby burning fuel regardless of what the Sun and wind are doing. There's a reason why CO2 emissions do not go down but more often go up when wind and solar are added. The very same reason why costs inevitably go up when wind and solar are added. Still waiting for Chuck to find an exception to this.

[cropgrower]

so what it boils down too is he dont have a clue what he is talking about

[AlbertaFarmer5]

so what it boils down too is he dont have a clue what he is talking about

Yes, the Dunning-Kruger effect for all to witness.
The inverse correlation between knowledge of a subject and confidence in said knowledge is very strong with chuck.
Doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but he's 100% certain.

[blackpowder]

Forced suicide and murder if Alberta choose more renewables? LOL Tom you are losing it man.

You can keep the gas plants for backup Tom. Gas plants are very flexible. And maybe Nuclear along with imports will provide backup as well.

Do you really have so little faith in the corporate utilities and the AESO that they haven't thought of backup for intermittent renewables?

You run your farm and leave the utility management to the utilities who's job it is to figure this out.

Hmmm, telling.
Please explain imports.
And the admission of intermittent.
I will give you that the next century is 77 years away and anything is possible.
See you then.

[blackpowder]

Good thing that in 1923 the development of affordable energy wasn't mandated. And don't even attempt to compare wind solar to the hydro projects of the era. To do so would further expose your position. Bring it on.

[blackpowder]

And if you open the door, I will freely admit that in 1923 few could conceive of the power of nuclear.
Or of the demands for electricity 20 years later for that matter.
Wind solar is neither. Yet.
My dad had an uncle that patented a wave generation device 100 years ago.
But he ploughed Mother Earth and got ahead while doing so.
Get a haircut and get a real job.