Solar power due to overtake oil production investment for first time, IEA says

[blackpowder]

You gotta love that a bunch of climate change denier farmers who dont think science is credible are now telling us renewables will never work and the utilities and the AESO don't know what they are doing in Alberta or anywhere else? LOL

Renewable output is largely predictable from day to day based on the sun and weather forecasts. They have many years of data to work with.

And utilities and system operators are designing systems to incorporate more renewables.

Farmers should stick to running their farm and let the utilities run the electrical system.

Or do you think electrical engineers and system operators should tell you how to run your farm?

That was pure condescending socialist manure from a horses arse. Why all the hate?

[chuckChuck]

Propaganda and horse manure? You guys running out of better comebacks again?

I guess the IEA, NASA, NOAA and all the other expert organizations are just wrong? Nothing but propaganda machines? You might as well join Little lentils flat earth crusade if that's the best counter arguments you can muster. LOL

And who said gas plants aren't very flexible generation sources?

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Dispatchable_source_of_electricity

A dispatchable source of electricity refers to an electrical power system, such as a power plant, that can be turned on or off; in other words they can adjust their power output supplied to the electrical grid on demand.[2] Most conventional power sources such as coal or nuclear power plants are dispatchable in order to meet the always changing electricity demands of the population. In contrast, many renewable energy sources are intermittent and non-dispatchable, such as wind power or solar power which can only generate electricity while their primary energy flow is input on them.
Dispatch times

Dispatchable sources must be able to ramp up or shut down relatively quickly in time intervals within a few seconds even up to a couple of hours, depending on the need for electricity. Different types of power plants have different dispatch times:[3]

Fast (seconds)

Capacitors are able to dispatch within milliseconds if they need to, due to the energy stored in them already being electrical, whereas in other types of power storage such as chemical batteries the power must be converted into electrical energy.

Hydroelectric facilities are also able to dispatch extremely quickly; for instance the Dinorwig hydro power station can reach its maximum generation in less than 16 seconds.[4]

Medium (minutes)

Natural gas turbines are a very common dispatchable source, and they can generally be ramped up in minutes.

Solar thermal power plants can utilize systems of efficient thermal energy storage. It is possible to design these systems to be dispatchable on roughly equivalent timeframes to natural gas turbines.

Slow (hours)

While these systems are typically regarded as only providing baseload power, they often have some flexibility.

Biomass
Nuclear
Coal

Many coal and biomass plants can be fired up from cold within a few hours. Although nuclear power plants may take a while to get going, they must be able to shut down in seconds to ensure safety in the case of a meltdown.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That was pure condescending socialist manure from a horses arse. Why all the hate?

What else is he going to come back with?
If he acknowledges that the propaganda piece he posted is correct, then he has to acknowledge that solar power will be drastically more expensive than fossil fuels. If he acknowledges that it is fake news, and he has to acknowledge that he was duped into repeating the fake news. He can't acknowledge that he didn't actually read the article, or that he didn't understand what it says. or that the headline he repeated had nothing to do with the article itself.
Socialist horseshit and hatred is the only acceptable comeback.

[furrowtickler]

You gotta love that a bunch of climate change denier farmers who dont think science is credible are now telling us renewables will never work and the utilities and the AESO don't know what they are doing in Alberta or anywhere else? LOL

Renewable output is largely predictable from day to day based on the sun and weather forecasts. They have many years of data to work with.

And utilities and system operators are designing systems to incorporate more renewables.

Farmers should stick to running their farm and let the utilities run the electrical system.

Or do you think electrical engineers and system operators should tell you how to run your farm?

Well we have some NFU hobby farmers , some organic and an Ag minister that has a garden trying to rule Ag policy for all farmers even though most don’t have a single clue what it takes to run a modern farm …… even remotely

[blackpowder]

Sadly he believes what he wrote and sadder still is that others do.
He writes everything as if fact when you can see it's all a stretch.
Where in Canada can you turn a coal facility on and off and who would pay for that? Anyone here ever work in one?
Why would you throttle a nuke plant or can you? Who pays for that?
Does no one see that our windfarms have zero or negative days?
What would your basis be on grain if your terminal shut down 20% or even 10% of the time? Railroads?
But no, electric infrastructure different?
Who is really this stupid?
Guess I answered my own question and could write a book of examples.

[LWeber]

Sadly he believes what he wrote and sadder still is that others do.
He writes everything as if fact when you can see it's all a stretch.
Where in Canada can you turn a coal facility on and off and who would pay for that? Anyone here ever work in one?
Why would you throttle a nuke plant or can you? Who pays for that?
Does no one see that our windfarms have zero or negative days?
What would your basis be on grain if your terminal shut down 20% or even 10% of the time? Railroads?
But no, electric infrastructure different?
Who is really this stupid?
Guess I answered my own question and could write a book of examples.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

[chuckChuck]

So who was saying gas plants and hydro can't be used to backup renewables?


Hydroelectric facilities are also able to dispatch extremely quickly; for instance the Dinorwig hydro power station can reach its maximum generation in less than 16 seconds.[4]

Natural gas turbines are a very common dispatchable source, and they can generally be ramped up in minutes.

Don't let the facts get in the way.

[chuckChuck]

Well we have some NFU hobby farmers , some organic and an Ag minister that has a garden trying to rule Ag policy for all farmers even though most don’t have a single clue what it takes to run a modern farm …… even remotely

But you supported the failed Ostrich farmer come ag minster under Harper? LOL

[furrowtickler]

But you supported the failed Ostrich farmer come ag minster under Harper? LOL

The only thing Ritz did right was get rid of the CWB . And he messed up how it was dismantled for sure , other than that ya he was a dime store cowboy

[Guest]

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

They’re on a runaway with these fires , lik Oz a few years back , then record rainfall

[shtferbrains]

Haven't seen this review of solar power efficiency in Australian show up in any western MSM.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/05/solar-a-risky-waste-of-time-and-money/

It looks at energy pay back time (EPBT) for Solar and the required batteries when we go net zero.
Energy pay back is when you get to the point where the energy produced is greater than the energy required to produce the panels and the batteries.
Study uses data from Australia.
Don't know how to compare Canada but data shows here solar has about 5% capacity factor in winter.

" The results show that:

The Energy Pay-Back time for roof-top solar generation of electricity is 22 to 24 years for Melbourne, 14 to 15 years for Perth, and 14 years for Alice Springs.
For Melbourne, Perth, and Alice Springs, EPBT’s exceed the lifetime of the battery, therefore, batteries have to be replaced twice in the 30-year lifetime of the solar panel. Accounting for this, the energy embodied in the manufacture and installation of the system is not recovered in the lifetime of the system.
Storage of excess summer generation for practical use requires very large batteries, resulting in unfavourable EPBT."

The following conclusions can be drawn:

Since prior research indicates that solar farms are worse than rooftop solar, solar farms are not a feasible replacement for traditional coal/gas-based electricity generation.
Given equal dollar value eg dollars per kWh, assigned to both input and output electricity, the cost results will echo the energy results, that is to say that the cost incurred in manufacture etc. will not be recovered in the lifetime of the system. Given that, within that lifetime, the batteries would be replaced at additional cost, it follows that electricity generated by the solar system will always be more expensive than the input coal/gas electricity which established the system. Statements by politicians such as, ‘the reason electricity is more expensive now is because we do not have enough renewable energy’ is the reverse of the facts. The more solar generation we have, the more expensive electricity will become.
Subsidies to adjust input and/or output dollar charges do not change the costs. They transfer costs to another element of production, for zero added value. Such subsidies are therefore inherently inflationary.
Continued purchase of solar panels and batteries from low-cost, coal/gas-based producers while, at the same time, inhibiting and closing domestic coal/gas-based electricity, presents national security issues, for no economic or environmental benefit.
Persistence with the widespread installation of PV panels and batteries and closure of coal or gas-fired power stations, will result in greater not lesser emissions of carbon dioxide, higher electricity charges, and higher inflation.
Put simply, Australia mines coal and exports it to China where coal-fired power stations generate electricity, which is used to manufacture PV panels and batteries, which Australia buys and uses to generate electricity from the rays of the sun. In their lifetimes, the solar panels never generate enough usable electricity to replace the coal/gas electricity they originated from.

Reliance on solar combined with closing down coal and gas generation is definitely premature and will lead to power shortages, inflated energy costs, compromised national security, and increased carbon dioxide emissions. Australia would be better off for supply reliability, emissions, costs, and sovereign security, to use coal and gas domestically for electricity generation.

[furrowtickler]

And that’s in a country with zero winter 🥶…….

[fjlip]

well that settles it...CC you and all your science baloney green climate crap are totally full of SHIT!

Lies on top of lies...time to garbage the whole idea and all the projects.

[chuckChuck]

well that settles it...CC you and all your science baloney green climate crap are totally full of SHIT!

Lies on top of lies...time to garbage the whole idea and all the projects.

You and BL should join forces on the flat earth thread. You will feel right at home there with your science denial!

[shtferbrains]

Your science is a scam Chuck.

Your being misled.