Vaccines

[cropgrower]

clearly a whitewash article , they all know they have blood on their hands , why were lots of young people in sports dropping like flies

[chuckChuck]

That was from the Guardain UK , considered a bit left leaning !

Why didn't you publish the whole Guardian article? Because there is no mention of vaccines causing the increase! And there are many factors at play in the excess deaths including covid!



Britain’s excess death rate is at a disastrous high – and the causes go far beyond Covid
This article is more than 8 months old
Owen Jones

A deadly, avoidable crisis is under way, fuelled by NHS cuts, the neglect of social care, inequality and the soaring cost of living
Sun 15 Jan 2023 14.09 GMT
Last modified on Tue 13 Jun 2023 16.55 BST

When most people hear that phrase “humanitarian crisis”, they think “abroad”, “somewhere far away”, and certainly not in Britain. But how else to describe the tens of thousands of bodies avoidably piling up in the nation’s mortuaries? One funeral home worker says that they’ve run out of spaces for the deceased and “are having to keep some encoffined in office rooms”; another hospital porter reports that the mortuary has been near capacity for two weeks. This national issue should be splashed on every front page and leading every bulletin. It isn’t: why?

Last year in the UK there were nearly 40,000 excess deaths – that is, deaths above a five-year average. That’s nearly as many as were killed by the Luftwaffe in the blitz. In the last two weeks of 2022, deaths were a fifth higher than the average from 2016 to 2019 (the last pre-pandemic year), and that’s taking into account factors such as a bigger, ageing population.

According to the Office for National Statistics, there have been about 170,000 excess deaths in England and Wales since the pandemic began. Most of these can be directly attributed to Covid-19 itself: after all, the virus’s name is scrawled on the death certificates of more than 212,000 UK citizens. Some of those who died may have been vulnerable or infirm, but in other circumstances years away from death. As the pandemic waned, we could have expected excess deaths to shift to below average levels over time. This has not happened.

By the beginning of last year, the number of deaths was similar to 2019. As the actuary Stuart McDonald points out, we had been through the worst of a pandemic in which many frail members of society died, and normally mortality falls year on year, so to only equal the death toll of 2019 was already indicative of a worrying trend.

Even this data uncovered something disturbing – higher death rates among relatively young adults, and as spring came, more dying than in 2019. And here’s the thing: while the dreadful Covid death toll continues to mount, many of these excess deaths are driven by other factors.

Britain is scarred by features that have made it particularly vulnerable, both while the virus raged before mass immunisation, and in the aftermath. Some are the direct consequences of Tory policy, some are more profound: about the way our society is organised. That means today’s excess deaths go way beyond Covid.

One, the crisis in our NHS. There were about 2,200 additional deaths in England associated with A&E delays in December alone. Average ambulance response times in England are now the worst on record, and more than half of patients are waiting for more than four hours at A&E for the first time since records began in 2011.

Now consider former health secretary Jeremy Hunt’s confession that he was partly to blame for an NHS staffing crisis that left Britain more vulnerable to the pandemic and its after-effects. Consider the impact on retention and recruitment of the Tories’ scrapping of the nurses’ bursary, and the fact that nurses have lost, on average, £5,000 a year in real terms pay since 2010: there are about 50,000 vacancies in England.

There is no question that Covid has resulted in high levels of staff absenteeism, and burnt-out health workers who, normally, would have had some respite outside the winter months. A larger, better-resourced workforce would surely have absorbed the impact better.

Consider, too, that one of the crises currently afflicting the NHS is that medically fit patients who nonetheless need support cannot be discharged. A major driver of this is a lack of capacity in social care – which, since 2010, has suffered hundreds of millions of pounds’ worth of cuts, despite there being ever greater demand for it from an ageing population.

There is also a more structural factor at play. Our society is defined by inequality, and poverty breeds poor health: conditions such as obesity, high blood pressure, respiratory disease, even cancer. So what happens if you throw a pandemic at an under-resourced healthcare system, in a profoundly unequal society ravaged by poor health?

What if you add a cost-of-living crisis which – just as an example – leads vulnerable people to fear turning on their heating in cold snaps such as the one we endured in early December? What if you also have a government that has spent years obliterating the public health budget, which is intended to promote healthy lives and prevent illnesses that impose pressures on the NHS?

This is the British tragedy: a country left exposed to disaster because of the fatal conjoining of a broken economic system and an ideologically crazed government. This is a humanitarian crisis, and it should be framed as such. But as those bodies pile up in our mortuaries and funeral homes, remember this – it was all avoidable.

Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist

[cropgrower]

would have if i knew how , do you not think 40,000 is a serious number ? something is very wrong , and the powers that be dont want to find out whats going on , when one MP brought it up in house of commons lots of MPs got up and walked out ???

i was highlighting the fact that nobody wants to do an inquiry into whats going on , thats the masive red flag for me

Their is a huge elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about

[chuckChuck]

According to the article that you and I posted blame the politicians in the UK and the cuts to the NHS for starters.

The increase in excess deaths in the UK has multiple causes, but covid vaccines have nothing to do with it.

Covid on the other hand does.

[cropgrower]

. Now explain why the countrys with the higher jab rates have the higher excess deaths

[chuckChuck]

I posted an in depth study very large US study that showed vaccines are not causing excess deaths. It was published and used by the CDC, so a very credible study.

The Guardian article which you also posted shows there are multiple causes in the UK of excess deaths and vaccines are not one of the causes. But covid is.

The chart provides no evidence that the excess deaths are caused by vaccinations.

In order to prove that vaccines are causing excess death you need a credible large study that says that.

If that exists then show us because speculating is not evidence.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I posted an in depth study very large US study that showed vaccines are not causing excess deaths. It was published and used by the CDC, so a very credible study.

The Guardian article which you also posted shows there are multiple causes in the UK of excess deaths and vaccines are not one of the causes. But covid is.

The chart provides no evidence that the excess deaths are caused by vaccinations.

In order to prove that vaccines are causing excess death you need a credible large study that says that.

If that exists then show us because speculating is not evidence.

So in your opinion, what would be some of the multiple causes?
Climate change? Systemic racism? Donald Trump?

[cropgrower]

I posted an in depth study very large US study that showed vaccines are not causing excess deaths. It was published and used by the CDC, so a very credible study.

The Guardian article which you also posted shows there are multiple causes in the UK of excess deaths and vaccines are not one of the causes. But covid is.

The chart provides no evidence that the excess deaths are caused by vaccinations.

In order to prove that vaccines are causing excess death you need a credible large study that says that.

If that exists then show us because speculating is not evidence.

i will say it again for the 3rd of 4th time , governments are not interested in doing an inquiry into whats going on , why do you think they wont look into whats going on ? is it not very important to find out ?

[Guest]

So in your opinion, what would be some of the multiple causes?
Climate change? Systemic racism? Donald Trump?

Stephen Harper for sure

[chuckChuck]

i will say it again for the 3rd of 4th time , governments are not interested in doing an inquiry into whats going on , why do you think they wont look into whats going on ? is it not very important to find out ?

Incumbent governments don't want to take responsibility for their failings by shedding light on the failures of the healthcare system do they?

Long wait times, overcrowded ERs, shortages of health care workers and training spaces. Most of it is because governments don't want to fund and organize the system adequately.

They would rather cut taxes and balance the books on the backs of the sick and elderly than provide good health care.

So where is the credible study that shows vaccines are the cause of excess deaths? Put up or shut up.

[TOM4CWB]

CC… you are a Pro at distorting what is happening…

1M new Canadians a year… 500,000 by immigration 500,000 students… who is supposed to look after this huge increase in Canadian population? These people primarily go to Toronto and Vancouver areas…

Pure Insanity… Trudeau and his minions are intentionally crushing our housing and health care infrastructure… with unreasonable expectations…

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see…

Happy thanksgiving… anyone getting sick needs extra prayers and patience… young people needing housing… staying at home with family is the most likely solution… as housing prices are exploding… with financing costs going though the stratosphere…

Cheers

[chuckChuck]

So where is the credible study that shows vaccines are the cause of excess deaths? Put up or shut up.

I will pray for you Tom because you and your antivaxer friends on Agrisilly aren't going to find it are you? LOL

[TOM4CWB]

Trudeau is looking after our health care system, housing infrastructure, Energy systems, with equity…

Our local hospital had no doctors this weekend… everyone had to be transferred out…

Look at the results of the Federal government’s policies… your one track vendetta… which obviously fails to reconcile reality with what actually is happening on the ground in Canada… speaks to the absurd position taken here on Agriville.

Blessings and Prayers

[chuckChuck]

Tom you don't know that the provinces have jurisdiction over health care? But its still all Trudeau's fault? LOL

[TOM4CWB]

Sorry for feeding the Trolls

Pointless

Happy thanksgiving!