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    #16
    I don’t mind taxes if they go towards good things (which is why I would have preferred Alberta to keep its carbon tax)

    You’ll struggle to convince me that the government, especially the feds, are using the tax dollars well though. Don’t tax me, tell me it’s for the good of everyone, and then use it for stupid shit.
    Last edited by Blaithin; Jun 29, 2023, 11:49.

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      #17
      Originally posted by fjlip View Post
      One must be in complete denial of reality to accept the taxes…
      Should have red liberal pants and an NDP shirt on then be absolutely bang on

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        #18
        Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
        Interestingly Chuck2 I was listening to talk radio yesterday. They were discussing how high electricity prices were in Alberta. I have been on a fixed rate plan for over 5 years. I re-upped back in Dec. 22. The generation portion is all you can lock in, this does not include transmission and distribution charges. My price went from 6.7 cents a kilowatt to 6.9 for 5 years. You can terminate the contract anytime, no penalty. Anyway that same company, same 5 year contract today is 12.79 cents a kilowatt. I looked it up while I was listening to the radio. An 85% increase! What the hell Chuck2. I thought all this wind and solar was going to make electricity cheap? Well one problem is the carbon tax, it is increasing the cost of Alberta’s natural gas generated electricity. It is not the cost of the natural gas, it is back down to just over $2 a gigajoule. And wind? Well yesterday it was producing at 10% of capacity, today at just over 20%. When I looked this morning 79.5% of Alberta’s electricity was coming from fossil fuel generating sources, all inflated by the carbon tax.

        One other thing Chuck2, the inflation rate on food is still running at over 9%!
        Chuck2 my last natural gas bill for May, cost of natural gas $2.55 a gigajoule, federal carbon tax $3.3271 a gigajoule. Nope carbon tax isn’t inflationary at all🤪
        And some are so *** dumb they can’t see it ?
        And pretend they care about the working poor?

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          #19
          These policies are about wealth distribution and zero to do with climate , that’s a fact . And it will and is decimating the middle class . The debt numbers prove it and are irrefutable as I showed nearly a month ago and a few went very quiet.
          Canadian household debt is some of the highest in the world strictly because of this coalition government policies , and this will be the nail in the coffin

          The sad part is they are even happy and proud of supporting this gong show

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            #20
            Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
            I don’t mind taxes if they go towards good things (which is why I would have preferred Alberta to keep its carbon tax)

            You’ll struggle to convince me that the government, especially the feds, are using the tax dollars well though. Don’t tax me, tell me it’s for the good of everyone, and then use it for stupid shit.
            The PBO clearly said a large percentage or around 90% of carbon taxes come back directly to most tax payers in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Did you not get your cheque?

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              #21
              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
              The PBO clearly said a large percentage or around 90% of carbon taxes come back directly to most tax payers in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Did you not get your cheque?
              Now Chuck2 I didn’t expect you to respond to my post because it contained actual facts and figures not computer models. But please explain to me how Justin Trudeau is making my life more affordable? As I pointed out above a five year contract price for the generation portion of electricity in Alberta has gone up 85% at the same time as the price of natural gas dropping over 50% from December 2022 to today. July 1 the new clean fuel standard kicks in. April 1 2023 the carbon tax increased 30%. They want steel and aluminum produced in a greener manner which will increase cost, no more coking coal. Please show me one example of anything Trudeau and his climate zealots are doing to make my cost of producing food more affordable?!?!

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                #22
                Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                The PBO clearly said a large percentage or around 90% of carbon taxes come back directly to most tax payers in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Did you not get your cheque?
                Do you think truckers get 90% of their carbon tax back Chuck2?

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                  #23
                  I’ve never gotten a carbon tax cheque, am I missing out on something?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                    The PBO clearly said a large percentage or around 90% of carbon taxes come back directly to most tax payers in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Did you not get your cheque?
                    Proves the fact that it’s simply a wealth redistribution scheme, nothing more , nothing less . Will have zero effect on climate …. Ever
                    The ones that have no choice but to burn petroleum are getting hit the hardest. And in all cases except farmers , those costs are going back to the consumers 10x in inflated prices.
                    It’s amazing how most people are blind to this fact .
                    They are getting one dollar back for every 5 it’s costing them .
                    Did you get your check …… Bahahaha.
                    Spend $10 to get a dollar back …. Yup makes them feel good 🤦*♂️
                    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 30, 2023, 10:14.

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                      #25


                      Been as clear as day since day one , plus they openly admit it

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                        The PBO clearly said a large percentage or around 90% of carbon taxes come back directly to most tax payers in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Did you not get your cheque?
                        I get a cheque. Wouldn’t say it’s near 90%.

                        What exactly is the point of having a tax, and increasing it frequently, if you’re just going to give 90% of it back anyway? Why not just lower the tax. Talk about a make work project.

                        Mental manipulation at its finest. Vote for me, I’m going to increase your taxes by ex amount but I’ll give you 90% of that back. The other guy isn’t going to give you nearly that much back so don’t vote for him.

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                          #27
                          Need to find a chart on what industries, businesses and individuals pay the most and what percentage they get back . My guess the ole 80-20 rule won’t be far off

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
                            I get a cheque. Wouldn’t say it’s near 90%.

                            What exactly is the point of having a tax, and increasing it frequently, if you’re just going to give 90% of it back anyway? Why not just lower the tax. Talk about a make work project.

                            Mental manipulation at its finest. Vote for me, I’m going to increase your taxes by ex amount but I’ll give you 90% of that back. The other guy isn’t going to give you nearly that much back so don’t vote for him.
                            Excellent comment. No doubt the reality is highly productive industries with high energy usage pay a huge amount of carbon tax but corporations don’t vote, people do. So the Liberal’s transfer money to their urban voter base via the carbon tax from these corporations! And ideologues like Chuck2 drink the kool aid and love it.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                              Excellent comment. No doubt the reality is highly productive industries with high energy usage pay a huge amount of carbon tax but corporations don’t vote, people do. So the Liberal’s transfer money to their urban voter base via the carbon tax from these corporations! And ideologues like Chuck2 drink the kool aid and love it.
                              Absolutely bang on

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Blaithin View Post
                                I get a cheque. Wouldn’t say it’s near 90%.

                                What exactly is the point of having a tax, and increasing it frequently, if you’re just going to give 90% of it back anyway? Why not just lower the tax. Talk about a make work project.

                                Mental manipulation at its finest. Vote for me, I’m going to increase your taxes by ex amount but I’ll give you 90% of that back. The other guy isn’t going to give you nearly that much back so don’t vote for him.
                                Make no mistake , they’re sure as hell ain’t no 90 % coming back ?
                                They are counting the direct tax , not the indirect, over and over and over and over and over……….

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