It’s all good , right chucky and friends?

[Blaithin]

Make no mistake , they’re sure as hell ain’t no 90 % coming back ?
They are counting the direct tax , not the indirect, over and over and over and over and over……….

The day they start asking for all my fuel receipts and gas bill invoices will be the day I’ll consider they may be putting in effort to get 90% back.

Which might start to approach offsetting the extra prices paid for goods that increased to try and make up for paying their share.

Definitely would be easier to just tax less…

[jazz]

Make no mistake , they’re sure as hell ain’t no 90 % coming back ?
They are counting the direct tax , not the indirect, over and over and over and over and over……….

Chuck is one of those special progressives. You know the ones who stayed home for $200 a week only to watch their retard govt kick off double digit inflation in the process.

If these Marxist loons ever take over inflation will be 20% and they will try to tell you Putin did it.

Thankfully canada isn’t totally full of retards yet. We see right through it.

[chuckChuck]

The market drives the cost of fossil energy through the roof fueling inflation on a global scale.

The oil companies and petro states make record profits with the transfer of wealth from consumers to the oil industry at the same time as receiving massive subsidies and incentives from taxpayers.

And all you guys can talk about is the carbon tax in Canada most of which goes back to consumers and back into the economy? LOL

My plug in hybrid electricity costs about $3.75 per 100 km when it runs on electricity based on .14 cents per kwh.

If I use 8 cents per kwh which is the estimated long term cost of our solar electricity, it is $2.15 per 100km with no carbon tax and emission free, I might add.

Compare that to the cost of gasoline in the same hybrid to run a 100 km at 5.6 L/100km. The cost is $8.68.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs burning fossil fuels.

And as Prime Minister Harper said, we will stop burning fossil fuels as an energy source and fossil fuels will not be used in inefficient ICEs.

[Hamloc]

The market drives the cost of fossil energy through the roof fueling inflation on a global scale.

The oil companies and petro states make record profits with the transfer of wealth from consumers to the oil industry at the same time as receiving massive subsidies and incentives from taxpayers.

And all you guys can talk about is the carbon tax in Canada most of which goes back to consumers and back into the economy? LOL

My plug in hybrid electricity costs about $3.75 per 100 km when it runs on electricity based on .14 cents per kwh.

If I use 8 cents per kwh which is the estimated long term cost of our solar electricity, it is $2.15 per 100km with no carbon tax and emission free, I might add.

Compare that to the cost of gasoline in the same hybrid to run a 100 km at 5.6 L/100km. The cost is $8.68.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs burning fossil fuels.

And as Prime Minister Harper said, we will stop burning fossil fuels as an energy source and fossil fuels will not be used in inefficient ICEs.

As expected you didn’t address the fact that the cost to consumers in Alberta of generated electricity has increased 85% in the last six months while at the same time the cost of natural gas has been cut in half. During the same period Alberta’s solar and wind generation capacity has went up to where it comprises 25% of electricity generation capacity in Alberta today. Last year my average total cost paid per kwh was just over 19 cents(including transmission and generation). If I locked in a contract today total electricity cost would be 25 cent a kwh. Electricity going up not down in the real world.

Watching news last night. Gas at the pumps in Alberta $1.40 a litre. In BC it is a $1.88 a litre. We’re telling travellers in Alberta to fill up before going to BC. Same oil Chuck2, explain this one!!!!

[furrowtickler]

The market drives the cost of fossil energy through the roof fueling inflation on a global scale.

The oil companies and petro states make record profits with the transfer of wealth from consumers to the oil industry at the same time as receiving massive subsidies and incentives from taxpayers.

And all you guys can talk about is the carbon tax in Canada most of which goes back to consumers and back into the economy? LOL

My plug in hybrid electricity costs about $3.75 per 100 km when it runs on electricity based on .14 cents per kwh.

If I use 8 cents per kwh which is the estimated long term cost of our solar electricity, it is $2.15 per 100km with no carbon tax and emission free, I might add.

Compare that to the cost of gasoline in the same hybrid to run a 100 km at 5.6 L/100km. The cost is $8.68.

EVs are 80% efficient compared to 20% for ICEs burning fossil fuels.

And as Prime Minister Harper said, we will stop burning fossil fuels as an energy source and fossil fuels will not be used in inefficient ICEs.

Yup Harper said by 2100 , not 2030 , 70 year spread 🙄

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As expected you didn’t address the fact that the cost to consumers in Alberta of generated electricity has increased 85% in the last six months while at the same time the cost of natural gas has been cut in half. During the same period Alberta’s solar and wind generation capacity has went up to where it comprises 25% of electricity generation capacity in Alberta today. Last year my average total cost paid per kwh was just over 19 cents(including transmission and generation). If I locked in a contract today total electricity cost would be 25 cent a kwh. Electricity going up not down in the real world.

Watching news last night. Gas at the pumps in Alberta $1.40 a litre. In BC it is a $1.88 a litre. We’re telling travellers in Alberta to fill up before going to BC. Same oil Chuck2, explain this one!!!!

I'm shocked. Who could have possibly predicted that adding more low cost unreliable generation would result in higher costs to the end user?

Every year in December we check on the output of the unreliable power generation in alberta. So in the interest of balance, I checked today, almost the longest day of the year. The first wind power I checked was halkirk since it has been the most reliable most times we check, it was 14.8% capacity factor in the last 24 hours, operating at 0% as of 9:00 this morning. Vulcan solar at a 15.4% capacity factor in the past 24 hours, outputting 0% as of 9:00 a.m.
I'm beginning to suspect that comparing the cost per installed kilowatt is completely meaningless at all times of the year.

[WiltonRanch]

More reason why Putin keeps vodka cheap and Trudeau legalized pot so people believe they’re bullshit or are too blazed to care. Then there are the loyal sycophants who don’t need drugs.

[chuckChuck]

Alberta has a deregulated electrical grid so power producers can jack up the rates, based on supply and demand resulting in higher rates than neighboring Saskatchewan. Rising natural gas prices would have also increased electrcity rates because Alberta utilities run a lot of gas plants

Saskatchewan on the other hand has a regulated grid and a rate review process overseen by a panel appointed by the government which sees value in keeping rates lower than they otherwise be in a free market. As a result electrcity rates are much lower in Saskatchewan.

And Saskatchewan is also installing a lot of wind and some solar and shutting down aging coal plants in favour of new gas plants.

So blaming price increases and higher rates in Alberta all on renewables is misinformation.

Farm rates in Saskatchewan are 14.33 cents per kwh with a $46 per month basic charge. Looks like Saskatchewan regulated rates are way better than Alberta's deregulated rates.

[Hamloc]

Alberta has a deregulated electrical grid so power producers can jack up the rates, based on supply and demand resulting in higher rates than neighboring Saskatchewan. Rising natural gas prices would have also increased electrcity rates because Alberta utilities run a lot of gas plants

Saskatchewan on the other hand has a regulated grid and a rate review process overseen by a panel appointed by the government which sees value in keeping rates lower than they otherwise be in a free market. As a result electrcity rates are much lower in Saskatchewan.

And Saskatchewan is also installing a lot of wind and some solar and shutting down aging coal plants in favour of new gas plants.

So blaming price increases and higher rates in Alberta all on renewables is misinformation.

You really don’t read other peoples posts do you. So as I pointed out in my previous post the price of electrical generation went up 85% at the same time as the price of natural gas was reduced, yes reduced Chuck2 by 50%. Has this sunk in yet? The cost increase was not because of natural gas. At the same time more wind and solar was added to the grid. Now I am not blaming wind and solar. What is occurring I believe is increased demand without a corresponding increase in reliable generation but as you will point out I am just an arm chair quarterback with no knowledge or training in power grid management. I am just a consumer who has to pay for the bad policies enacted by government. I will point out the carbon tax went up 30% April 1,2023 but of course that has nothing to do with it.

[Hamloc]

Alberta has a deregulated electrical grid so power producers can jack up the rates, based on supply and demand resulting in higher rates than neighboring Saskatchewan. Rising natural gas prices would have also increased electrcity rates because Alberta utilities run a lot of gas plants

Saskatchewan on the other hand has a regulated grid and a rate review process overseen by a panel appointed by the government which sees value in keeping rates lower than they otherwise be in a free market. As a result electrcity rates are much lower in Saskatchewan.

And Saskatchewan is also installing a lot of wind and some solar and shutting down aging coal plants in favour of new gas plants.

So blaming price increases and higher rates in Alberta all on renewables is misinformation.

One other thought Chuck2, you have previously credited Alberta’s deregulated electrical grid for attracting some of the biggest investment in new solar and wind generation in Canada. So on one hand your saying it is a positive, on the other a negative. One reality is Alberta’s system quickly shows the problems with government policy as the increases in costs aren’t hidden by government subsidy.

[chuckChuck]

The carbon tax in Saskatchewan on farm rates is a whopping 1 cent per kwh. Without my solar generation that would have cost me about $350 dollars per year with average consumption.

The utilities take several times that in Alberta for profit at their much higher rates.

How do you know what the breakdown of rates and rate increases in Alberta was caused by if you don't have the numbers from the utilities and the AESO?

Or are you just making several uninformed assumptions? Guessing?

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 as you can see a long term contract is much cheaper than the daily price.

[Guest]

The carbon tax in Saskatchewan on farm rates is a whopping 1 cent per kwh. Without my solar generation that would have cost me about $350 dollars per year with average consumption.

The utilities take several times that in Alberta for profit at their much higher rates.

How do you know what the breakdown of rates and rate increases in Alberta was caused by if you don't have the numbers from the utilities and the AESO?

Or are you just making several uninformed assumptions? Guessing?

You do realize carbon tax is added directly on everything you buy from a bolt to a jug of chemical
Surely to Christ you are not that simple ??

[chuckChuck]

Yes exactly like the much larger and more impact full increase in the price of oil and fuel because of supply and demand.

And so far the oil companies haven't sent me a rebate check for all their increased prices!

[newguy]

You do realize carbon tax is added directly on everything you buy from a bolt to a jug of chemical
Surely to Christ you are not that simple ??

And the sask finance minister said thanks to the expanded pst helped balancing the budget.Moe tax get way more from me than carbon tax.insurance and reno 6% moe tax now.buy a truck a figure out how much Moe tax you pay.