Beware regenerative agriculture

[TSIPP]

Haven’t heard from the dairy guy from around Caronport on here lately, I kinda remember him talking about making a great living on 50 cows, without the government protecting the dairy industry 50 cows won’t pay much for bills and sure won’t put kids in hockey.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

AB5(Price Taker?)

Hard working generational Family Farms making a living, contributing to local economies, filling rural schools, sports complexes, kids are in 4H, etc etc.

Have friends in dairy, they work their assess off, have great businesses, and give back to the area.

If they want to post billboards, why is that of any concern of yours, you've admitted to taking consumers money.

I'm not sure why I bother replying to your strawman arguments. I didn't say anything about dairy farmers not working hard, or contributing to the community, and they are free to use billboards however they see fit. I had the pleasure of dating the daughter of a dairy farmer, and helping out, I know exactly how hard they work.
As for your last concern, can you name a business which doesn't take consumers money? I believe that is the entire premise of being in business. Otherwise, it is known as a charity. The difference being that the Canadian consumer does not have any choice in the dairy aisle. They can buy expensive supply managed Canadian made dairy products, or expensive supply managed Canadian made dairy products.

My point is that Canadian dairy farmers are not competing in the world market. If they believe that they need to buy social license by playing along with the climate alarmism, and it adds 20% to their cost of production, while dairy farmers in the rest of the world do not bear this burden, it will not affect their ability to sell their products and to be profitable. The formula the supply management system uses to calculate price will add 20% to the price consumers ultimately pay. There is no dairy export market to compete in, since our COP is completely uncompetitive in the world market thanks to supply management. And there is almost no imports to compete with, thanks to protectionism, so the consumers cannot vote with their wallets if they don't agree with paying for virtue signaling climate pet projects by dairy farmers.

Conversely, if cattle farmers for whatever reason need to take the same measures, and it adds 20% to their COP, they will be completely unable to compete in the world market, so with only the domestic market left, most beef farmers will go out of business without the export market. Without the protectionism that the dairy farmers enjoy, Imports will continue to come in, and consumers will have the choice of voting with their wallets, and will choose the cheaper identical product which doesn't cost significantly more thanks to climate change lunacy. Making the remaining producers unprofitable, no matter how hard they may work.

[foragefarmer]

AB5

Glad you got all that common knowledge fluff off your chest, but how did you arrive at the 20% COP increase number for Dairy farmers?

It's to bad it didn't work out for you regarding the dairy girl, maybe you wouldn't be so envious of Dairy Farmers if it had.

[Blaithin]

AB5

Glad you got all that common knowledge fluff off your chest, but how did you arrive at the 20% COP increase number for Dairy farmers?

It's to bad it didn't work out for you regarding the dairy girl, maybe you wouldn't be so envious of Dairy Farmers if it had.

You’re crusty. Crops looking bad?

[TSIPP]

You’re crusty. Crops looking bad?

It’s got nothing to do with crops, it’s all in his head! I’m pretty sure the head shrink tried a fix but it just had gotten worse.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

AB5

Glad you got all that common knowledge fluff off your chest, but how did you arrive at the 20% COP increase number for Dairy farmers?

It's to bad it didn't work out for you regarding the dairy girl, maybe you wouldn't be so envious of Dairy Farmers if it had.

As I was saying in the previous post, I don't know why I would bother trying to explain to you the different between supply management in a protected market, versus an industry that needs to compete on the global scale. And as predicted, you ignored all of that, for art incapable of comprehending simple economic concept.
As for the 20%, that is a random number for the sake of argument. Substitute any positive real number and the outcome will be the same. You cannot add completely unnecessary cost to a business which needs to compete in the global market, and have them remain competitive on that global market. Whereas the protected local market will always be able to pass that on to the unfortunate consumer.

And thank you for your concern about my love life. Yes, it would have been an excellent business decision to have taking her up on the offer. But perhaps I'm a romantic at heart, no regrets.

[chuckChuck]

You gotta laugh at all the bluster and fear mongering about regenerative ag that it wont feed the world, when 40% of the US corn crop goes to ethanol and significant amount goes to feed just livestock.

And then a large amount of oilseeds, including lots of canola are planned or already used for biodiesel.

If the concern was a a shortage of food and feeding the world, why are so many acres dedicated to fuel and less efficient sources of food like feeding massive amounts of intensively produced livestock primarily for relatively wealthier consumers in developed countries?

The input suppliers and their apologist always talk glowingly about feeding the world. Its a lot of marketing talk but not the whole reality. They are concerned about losing a market for their products.

Gabe Brown is a prime example of how regenerative ag works with high levels of productivity, a focus on soil health and integrating a diversity of approaches, which include reducing pesticide and fertilizer usage.

Which in the end can make more profit.

Does his model fit everywhere? NO but its up to farmers to figure out what works on their particular farm.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

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Gabe Brown is a prime example of how regenerative ag works with high levels of productivity, a focus on soil health and integrating a diversity of approaches, which include reducing pesticide and fertilizer usage.
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Does his model fit everywhere?

You missed the part about Gabe Brown utilizing lots of livestock to make his model work. The same useless bureaucrats who are pushing the regenerative low inputs model also want to ban livestock. How do you square that circle?

[Blaithin]

Why are so many acres dedicated to fuel? Because we’re constantly being told we need to stop relying on O&G.

Also, crop rotations.

Also, fuel grade is typically feed grade, crops that aren’t necessarily quality enough.

Why feed grain to livestock? Meat is a nutrient dense, healthy option for one.

And again, feed quality grains, not human food grade.

And again, rotation.

Also add in, forages in their various qualities are easier to get and make a good product (meat) with than grains.

Efficiency of intensive ag livestock needs specifying. How are you saying it’s less efficient, transportation? Animal performance? End product? Some ways it’s less efficient. Some it’s more.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Why are so many acres dedicated to fuel? Because we’re constantly being told we need to stop relying on O&G.

Also, crop rotations.

Also, fuel grade is typically feed grade, crops that aren’t necessarily quality enough.

Why feed grain to livestock? Meat is a nutrient dense, healthy option for one.

And again, feed quality grains, not human food grade.

And again, rotation.

Also add in, forages in their various qualities are easier to get and make a good product (meat) with than grains.

Efficiency of intensive ag livestock needs specifying. How are you saying it’s less efficient, transportation? Animal performance? End product? Some ways it’s less efficient. Some it’s more.

I don't think Chuck has any familiarity with agriculture. No human is eating the varieties of corn which is being grown to feed livestock and go into ethanol. With the exception of the high fructose corn syrup, and corn oil which humans shouldn't be eating anyways.

[chuckChuck]

Corn is a big part of the diet of north americans. It has many uses and is a staple in mexican tortillas and diets.

Per acre livestock produce less calories than most food crops.

I am not saying we are going to give up meat and dairy, but if the primary goal is "feeding the world" then how can you justify such large amounts of ethanol and biodiesel as feeding the world?

And nobody is seriously talking about banning livestock production. That's just more right wing conspiracy theory and fear mongering at work.

[Hamloc]

You missed the part about Gabe Brown utilizing lots of livestock to make his model work. The same useless bureaucrats who are pushing the regenerative low inputs model also want to ban livestock. How do you square that circle?

We custom seed for a neighbour. Government has a program which pays 90% of the cost of seeding what is called a cover crop. My son calls it “shit-mix” lol. Anyway has barley, oats, forage peas, sunflowers, forage canola, a bit of corn, hairy vetch, everything but the kitchen sink and no seed treatment. They recommend no fertilizer. Seeded it last, had some left over fertilizer. Fertilized 3/4 of it. Obvious line down the field. I believe the plan is to cut it for feed and have reqrowth for fall grazing. Because there is no seed treatment there is smut on the barley. It is a good reminder of the benefits of modern agriculture such as seed treatment and fertilizer. Oh and with everything that is in it you can’t spray it of course.