Welcome to Canada, the land of free roads, cheap gas – and the world’s least fuel-eff

[goalieguy847]

Did the study take into account the fact that half our year is spent in sub zero temps ( which can reduce EV mileage by what... 45% and any ICE by 25?). It would be like saying australia spends less on heating oil than the whole of PEI, new brunswick and nova scotia. Well. No shiza sir sherlock!
Full disclosure. Skimmed the article. Hope they took temperatures into effect. Europe doesnt count because their population is so much closer together and many countries have regulations on the maximum age a vehicle ( thus having higher fuel mileages) can be..so. apples to apples here chucky! 2nd full disclosure. I drive a yukon xl thats actually not all that horrid on fuel. Do i need the space? I feel i do. Could we go smaller? Yep. But i can afford a 2018 with 200 k on it and all the additional costs.... thats why i wont complain avout the carbon tax.
Would like to buy a newer one that has the little duramax diesel ( its amazing on fuel) but theyre just too much money. 115 k for a new yukon? Why? Who? Why? In what world? Why?

Hey chuck. Serious question. I grow oats. When you eat a bowl of porridge do you honestly care how many carbon units it took to get there when youre hungry? NO but you do care what it cost to get into that bowl.

This is the diffculty with our current situation. We need to lower food costs and living costs but nobody has any idea how to properly do it. Libs want rich to pay more while those who pay nothing cost everyone more.
Cons want everyone for their own but when too many people need help nobody wants to help them.
So what do you do?

Not sure. But letting someone charge a tax on carbon while imposing a fine of what, 50 million on a company that gets caught FIXING THE PRICE OF THE LOWEST tier of food we have ( bread/ bread products) seems... uhh...

Dumb?

[furrowtickler]

no more dense in economics than Polly.Buy crypto and fire the head of the Bank of Canada.And when he explains what caused inflation you know he has not figured our checkers when a chess game is going on.

Are you really that simple minded ??

[chuckChuck]

You gotta wonder about the many Conservative consumers complaining about the cost of fuel and carbon taxes while they drive the the most expensive and least efficient vehicles when a smaller more efficient vehicle will cover their needs.

Instead of averaging 6 L per 100 km, they drive something that averages 16 L if they are lucky. Maybe they can't do math and don't know what the extra 10 L /100km is costing them? Its a whole lot more than the carbon tax, most of which they get back in climate rebates.

If you need a truck for work by all means, but why are many suburban and city residents driving big trucks?

Its marketing folks. The big three makes lots of profit off of sales of luxury lifestyle trucks. And consumers have been sucked in to all the hype.

[furrowtickler]

You gotta wonder about the many Conservative consumers complaining about the cost of fuel and carbon taxes while they drive the the most expensive and least efficient vehicles when a smaller more efficient vehicle will cover their needs.

Instead of averaging 6 L per 100 km, they drive something that averages 16 L if they are lucky. Maybe they can't do math and don't know what the extra 10 L /100km is costing them? Its a whole lot more than the carbon tax, most of which they get back in climate rebates.

If you need a truck for work by all means, but why are many suburban and city residents driving big trucks?

Its marketing folks. The big three makes lots of profit off of sales of luxury lifestyle trucks. And consumers have been sucked in to all the hype.

You should start an Urban Issues page and start berating all them suburban and city folks .

[furrowtickler]

It’s a fact a lot of newer trucks and even larger SUV’s are getting 7 -8 L /100 km , you do realize that right ?
Chev and GM’s new 3L Turbo diesel is incredibly efficient and in 1/2 tons , mid size and large SUV’s . A few of us have them here and that’s a fact
Dodge has their new inline 6 Hurricane engine in their SUV’s , they are in that range as well . Soon to be in all their trucks in 2024 . Extremely fuel efficient for larger vehicles.

[chuckChuck]

For sure there have been improvements but you need to consider the entire fleet averages because fuel consumption is not dropping if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

[cropgrower]

You gotta wonder about the many Conservative consumers complaining about the cost of fuel and carbon taxes while they drive the the most expensive and least efficient vehicles when a smaller more efficient vehicle will cover their needs.

Instead of averaging 6 L per 100 km, they drive something that averages 16 L if they are lucky. Maybe they can't do math and don't know what the extra 10 L /100km is costing them? Its a whole lot more than the carbon tax, most of which they get back in climate rebates.

If you need a truck for work by all means, but why are many suburban and city residents driving big trucks?

Its marketing folks. The big three makes lots of profit off of sales of luxury lifestyle trucks. And consumers have been sucked in to all the hype.

more garbage , what good is a little 2wd car that may not even have 8 inches ground clearence going trough snowdrifts to go to work early in the morning on uncleared gravel roads ?

[furrowtickler]

For sure there have been improvements but you need to consider the entire fleet averages because fuel consumption is not dropping if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

I just showed larger vehicles are getting way better fuel consumption , it’s very evident
I get your point but a vast majority of what you consider “larger” vehicles are all going to these very efficient engines now .

[newguy]

Are you really that simple minded ??

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

[Hamloc]

Great article in the National Post: “Joe Kotkin: Electric vehicle mandates are an assault on the middle class.”
One interesting quote from the article: “Economist Bjorn Lomberg calculates that a wholesale shift to EV’s will lead to a reduction of global temperatures of no more than .0002*F by 2100.”
Lots of interesting points in the article. A prediction of a loss of 400000 automobile manufacturing jobs because EV’s require less people to build. The fact that China uses fossil fuel generated electricity to power it’s industrial base and also is now the largest builder and exporter of EV’s in the world is somewhat ironic. Great article.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

It really bothers you that consumers are allowed to make their own choices, doesn't it.
It should be just like the cwb, the government should choose for them. Because only government knows best.
And I agree with you, it is an economic and ecological tragedy that we are squandering this one-time non-renewable resource with nothing to show for it. Every barrel of oil that is consumed in an SUV driving to soccer practice is a barrel we can't export to pay for our lifestyles, and won't be available to future generations to use for industry and agriculture and infrastructure and do help us survive the fairies of weather in a northern climate.
But, the free market has no mechanism to adequately value a product which is in surplus at present, but will inevitably be in short supply for future generations.
And for the record, my daily driver is an old compact car. Unless I'm hauling something that won't fit in the car, the truck stays home.

[cropgrower]

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

are you clueless enough to think the higher energy costs due to carbon tax dont get passed on to consumer ? costs lot more to have goods delivered to food store , hydro bills way higher etc