Welcome to Canada, the land of free roads, cheap gas – and the world’s least fuel-eff

[furrowtickler]

So Furrow are you going to stop selling your crops to the world and just sell them to local customers?

And also stop buying anything from China and other offshore suppliers?

For sure we need to concentrate on supplying our local markets with local supplies.

But that would mean changing the rules of the free market Because the whole economic trade system is based on global supply chains.

Nope , point is the average person with an ICE vehicle is being blamed for climate change , meanwhile like you say the worlds global supply chains keep humming along and politicians and elites will continue to travel the world .
But dam , the working moms ICE vehicle is destroying the planet.

[chuckChuck]

Nobody has said its just the ICE in cars. Its a combination of all sources of emissions.

GHG Emissions in Energy and Other Industries

Natural gas and oil – 193 MtCO2e (26%)
Transportation – 186 MtCO2e (25%)
Buildings – 92 MtCO2e (13%)
Electricity – 64 MtCO2e (9%)
Heavy industry – 78 MtCO2e (11%)
Agriculture – 73 MtCO2e (10%)
Waste and others 41 MtCO2e (6%)

https://www.capp.ca/explore/greenhouse-gas-emissions/

[AlbertaFarmer5]

But that would mean changing the rules of the free market

You weren't supposed to say the quiet part out loud.
You were supposed to keep pretending that you actually care about the environment, not admit that this is all about the overthrow of capitalism.
If you are ever in doubt, here is a helpful hint for you. Just remember the watermelon analogy, green on the outside, red on the inside.
You had an inside out watermelon moment in that post.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Nobody has said its just the ICE in cars. Its a combination of all sources of emissions.

GHG Emissions in Energy and Other Industries

Natural gas and oil – 193 MtCO2e (26%)
Transportation – 186 MtCO2e (25%)
Buildings – 92 MtCO2e (13%)
Electricity – 64 MtCO2e (9%)
Heavy industry – 78 MtCO2e (11%)
Agriculture – 73 MtCO2e (10%)
Waste and others 41 MtCO2e (6%)

https://www.capp.ca/explore/greenhouse-gas-emissions/

Using your stats. Transportation is only 25% of CO2 emissions. Out of that 25%, passenger cars are only 39% of global transportation emissions. Out of that 39%, currently in the US less than 1% of the vehicles registered are electric vehicles, and within that, on average they put on far less miles per year than ice vehicles, and are the smaller vehicles to start with . Almost all of the focus on solving climate change has been aimed at passenger cars. Converting them from gasoline to coal fired electricity generation. Putting all those numbers together, after decades of solving the climate crisis, we have managed to convert much less than 0.01% of our total emissions from gasoline to coal.
It's a good thing that climate crisis isn't real, otherwise at this rate, we're all going to boil.

[chuckChuck]

You do realize that nearly 80% of Canada's electricity is already emission free and not from burning coal or gas?

You always seem to get the facts so wrong!

Not surprising since you think we need more CO2 emissions not less. LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You do realize that nearly 80% of Canada's electricity is already emission free and not from burning coal or gas?

You always seem to get the facts so wrong!

Not surprising since you think we need more CO2 emissions not less. LOL

Again, you cherry picked one region. Worldwide, coal is still by far the largest source of electricity generation. And growing.

[Hamloc]

Again, you cherry picked one region. Worldwide, coal is still by far the largest source of electricity generation. And growing.

Don’t bring in actual facts. I was listening to our Premier being interviewed on QR 770 this morning. To reclaim one windmill, remove concrete and remediate is $750000 today. Imagine a field with 25 windmills, $18.75 million. What will that cost be in 10 years? And wind is really rocking today producing at 2.5% of capacity. Quite hot, need to power those air conditioners!! But not with wind apparently!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Don’t bring in actual facts. I was listening to our Premier being interviewed on QR 770 this morning. To reclaim one windmill, remove concrete and remediate is $750000 today. Imagine a field with 25 windmills, $18.75 million. What will that cost be in 10 years? And wind is really rocking today producing at 2.5% of capacity. Quite hot, need to power those air conditioners!! But not with wind apparently!!

You think that's bad. Check out Texas during this recent heat wave. Wind has been producing almost nothing. They've been on the verge of blackouts everyday.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I get the impression that Chuck doesn't understand why electric vehicles are coal powered. Every electric vehicle added to the grid is additional demand which didn't used to exist, which requires new generation. As we have established, wind and solar are useless. Chuck's wing nut environmental friends won't allow any new hydro or nuclear. Many areas won't allow fracking. LNG is prohibitively expensive compared to coal.
Even if more solar and wind are built, every last what needs to be backed up with dispatchable.
In most of the world, the only option left is coal. North America being the exception where it will be natural gas.

[chuckChuck]

80% emission free electricity in Canada including nuclear, hydro and renewables but you still complain about how EVs are going to use coal in Canada? LOL

All 3 prairie provinces including Manitoba are planning on lots more renewables to increase generation capacity.

Even if EVs are charged with fossil fuel plants, they are are still more efficient than ICE engines.

EVs are 80% efficient vs 20% for ICEs.

Fossil power plants are more efficient than ICEs by a long way around 50% and EVs still help reduce emissions and other forms of air pollution.

Mine is costing $2.00 per 100km of electric vs $8.00 for 100 km of gasoline. And the gas ICE was only 20% efficient. Which is more efficient again? LOL

[chuckChuck]

Don’t bring in actual facts. I was listening to our Premier being interviewed on QR 770 this morning. To reclaim one windmill, remove concrete and remediate is $750000 today. Imagine a field with 25 windmills, $18.75 million. What will that cost be in 10 years? And wind is really rocking today producing at 2.5% of capacity. Quite hot, need to power those air conditioners!! But not with wind apparently!!

When the oil and gas runs out the well is abandoned.

When will the sun and the wind run out? Never!

You can put another more efficient wind mill or solar panel on the same site multiple times.

And the oil industry is trying hard not to pay the the billions of dollars required to clean up all their tens of thousands of sites when the oil runs out or has already run out.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

80% emission free electricity in Canada including nuclear, hydro and renewables

Canada Represents 0.48% of the world's population. Why do you continue to cherry pick this one irrelevant country, and pretend that it represents the entire world? The rest of the world is building coal plants.
Even within canada, we will never build another hydro dam, the only feasible renewable energy source available, as long as you and your anti environment friends keep opposing all hydro. The only thing left is fossil fuels. For now in North America, that is clean natural gas. Your Green loon friends also want to ban fracking. That will literally leave coal as the only option available to power an industrial society.

[Hamloc]

80% emission free electricity in Canada including nuclear, hydro and renewables but you still complain about how EVs are going to use coal in Canada? LOL

All 3 prairie provinces including Manitoba are planning on lots more renewables to increase generation capacity.

Even if EVs are charged with fossil fuel plants, they are are still more efficient than ICE engines.

EVs are 80% efficient vs 20% for ICEs.

Fossil power plants are more efficient than ICEs by a long way around 50% and EVs still help reduce emissions and other forms of air pollution.

Mine is costing $2.00 per 100km of electric vs $8.00 for 100 km of gasoline. And the gas ICE was only 20% efficient. Which is more efficient again? LOL

Hmmm, say what you will in this test of many models, even with $8000 of government subsidies and cheaper fuel still more expensive to own. Never mind the fact that an equivalent EV model is 35-46% heavier.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hmmm, say what you will in this test of many models, even with $8000 of government subsidies and cheaper fuel still more expensive to own. Never mind the fact that an equivalent EV model is 35-46% heavier.

This reminds me of that poster who continuously claims that wind and solar are the cheapest generation sources. In spite of the fact that every single time they have been installed at scale, and in spite of the massive subsidies, it results in higher electricity costs, and he cannot find even a single exception to that.

[chuckChuck]

Wrong again A5? At least you are consistent.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2022/11/04/Chasing-the-Sun-and-Catching-the-Wind-Energy-Transition-and-Electricity-Prices-in-Europe-525079

Chasing the Sun and Catching the Wind: Energy Transition and Electricity Prices in Europe

Summary:

European power markets are in the midst of unprecedented changes, with a record-breaking surge in energy prices.This paper investigates the impact of green power resources on the level and volatility of wholesale electricity prices at a granular level, using monthly observations for a panel of 24 European countries over the period 2014–2021 and alternative estimation methods including a panel quantile regression approach. We find that renewable energy is associated with a significant reduction in wholesale electricity prices in Europe, with an average impact of 0.6 percent for each 1 percentage points increase in renewable share. We also find evidence for a nonlinear effect—that is, higher the share of renewables, the greater its effect on electricity prices. On the other hand, while quantile estimation results are mixed with regards to the impact of renewables on the volatility of electricity prices, we obtain evidence that renewable energy has a negative effect on volatility at the highest quantiles. Overall, our analysis indicates that policy reforms can help accelerate the green transition while minimizing the volatility in electricity prices.