Welcome to Canada, the land of free roads, cheap gas – and the world’s least fuel-eff

[Guest]

SFB , there is no thinking or common sense to any of it

[fjlip]

Total waste of time resources $$, and risky to work on. Never pay for themselves.

How much concrete is needed on ocean bottom? Many times more than on land!

[chuckChuck]

Worldwide investment in clean energy in 2023: 1.8 Trillion for renewables vs about 1 trillion for fossil fuels! Says the IEA



https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/8834d3af-af60-4df0-9643-72e2684f7221/WorldEnergyInvestment2023.pdf

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Worldwide investment in clean energy in 2023: 1.8 Trillion for renewables vs about 1 trillion for fossil fuels! Says the IEA

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Tell us again about how wind and solar are the cheapest energy sources.

Then repeat the stat about how worldwide investment in wind and solar which provide ~5.3% of total primary energy, cost almost twice as much as the investment in fossil fuels which provide 82% of world primary energy. Pretending for a moment that the 5.3% is actually correct(it is grossly inflated), fossil fuels provide 15.5 times more energy for almost half the cost. In other words, wind and solar are only 28 times more expensive.

But maybe if you repeat it a few more times, maybe yell it as loud as you can, it will make it true.

Or you could not post statistics which completely contradict your propaganda.

[shtferbrains]

$1.8 trillion.

Thats a lot of taxpayer money.

Think what could have been done with those funds if they would have gone into something productive.

If SMR's cost $1 to $1.5 Billion how many can you build for $1.8 trillion?

24 hour baseload with the cheapest fuel available.

[shtferbrains]

https://twitter.com/marketplunger1/status/1718982484208312715?t=njIgCUQcV974qMB5IlxObg&s=19

I don't know how to make this live but this young log truck driver explains why it's all BS in less than 2 minutes.

[Guest]

Oh my , that just makes too much sense and simple and clear?
Maybe simple enough even Chuck types can grasp it ? Or maybe not ?

[chuckChuck]

$1.8 trillion.

Thats a lot of taxpayer money.

Think what could have been done with those funds if they would have gone into something productive.

If SMR's cost $1 to $1.5 Billion how many can you build for $1.8 trillion?

24 hour baseload with the cheapest fuel available.

Thats not all taxpayers money.

North Dakota and Texas lead the US in wind energy paid for by utilities.

Nuclear is the most expensive option by far and one of the reasons hardly any new nuclear has been built in decades.

But wait Saskatchewan, Alberta and Ontario will subsidize the hell out of SMRs instead of letting the market decide what is the best and cheapest option.

The same provinces that are led by politicians who say they believe in the free market and don't pick winners and losers? LOL

[Guest]

Thats not all taxpayers money.

North Dakota and Texas lead the US in wind energy paid for by utilities.

Nuclear is the most expensive option by far and one of the reasons hardly any new nuclear has been built in decades.

But wait Saskatchewan, Alberta and Ontario will subsidize the hell out of SMRs instead of letting the market decide what is the best and cheapest option.

The same provinces that are led by politicians who say they believe in the free market and don't pick winners and losers? LOL

But wait Saskatchewan, Alberta and Ontario will subsidize the hell out of SMRs instead of letting the market decide what is the best and cheapest option.

Unlike wind and solar , lol********

[blackpowder]

Can't wait for the market alone to decide on wind and solar.

[chuckChuck]

Already has. Renewables are a lot of the new electricity generation capacityin the world because they are some of the lowest cost.

And storage is already here. But its going to a be a long transition no matter what.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Already has. Renewables are a lot of the new electricity generation capacityin the world because they are some of the lowest cost.

And storage is already here. But its going to a be a long transition no matter what.

Then how do you explain the contradiction in your post number 183 where you show the statistics to prove that wind and solar are 28 times more expensive per unit of energy produced compared to fossil fuels?

It is actually much worse than that, considering how fossil fuels are also the base stock for most industrial products and asphalt etc. So that total investment would include far more than just the fossil fuels for primary energy production.

It almost seems as if you are avoiding addressing that inconvenient fact.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Worldwide investment in clean energy in 2023: 1.8 Trillion for renewables vs about 1 trillion for fossil fuels! Says the IEA

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Now you contradicted yourself in the Covid thread, where you stated this:

the meaningless stock valuations that have absolutely nothing to do with vaccine safety?

So investors opinion of pharmaceutical stocks are meaningless.

But in this thread, you claim that investment in renewables is paramount to actual results.

You need an editor to read your posts so you stop contradicting yourself at every opportunity.

[chuckChuck]

Huh?

Pfizer stocks are not going down because of safety concerns. They are going down because of declining demand for their products.

And the IEA chart that shows investments in clean energy much higher than fossil fuels just demonstrates that governments,industry and consumers are investing heavily in the transition away from fossil fuels.

You're still squirming because the study from the U of C lays waste to your central argument that renewables are the primary reason why electricity prices are going up in Alberta!

Wrong again! A5. The primary reason is the deregulated market and markup! Give up!

Solar and wind are helping to reduce wholesale electricity prices even if they are intermittent.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Solar and wind are helping to reduce wholesale electricity prices even if they are intermittent.

Then why did you post the graph from the IEA proving that they renewables require at least 28 times more investment per unit of energy produced?
Are you smarter than the IEA?