Stewie …. C’mon man 🙄

[furrowtickler]

As a spokesperson for the NFU how do you propose 99% of farms in western Canada can operate without petroleum ?
There is zero option at this time to operate any machinery we use at this time . Zero …..
There are a very small number of very limited small scale electric prototype tractors even in exsistance . Let alone anything remotely logical that will work wide scale for probably over a decade . Maybe on a hobby farm , an electric tractor might be feasible for a few hours a day .
But what about all the other powered equipment needed on a daily basis on a scale that’s needed?
Maybe 25-30 years from now ?

[Guest]

What an out of touch idiot
Guess he wants the poor countries to starve same as Putin

[AlbertaFarmer5]

This quote from the article appears to be the punch line.
quit using fossil fuel in order to save ... the plants
I'm guessing biology wasn't his best class.

I assume that on his organic grain Farm they must be using wood fired steam traction engines? Can anyone confirm?
Considering that the evidence is that organic grain farms require significantly more fossil fuels per unit of production, he hardly seems like a good role model to be preaching about using fossil fuels.

[blackpowder]

Yup don't worry, China and Russia won't starve. Naive fool.

[Hamloc]

We had some left over fertilizer from seeding. Rented a spin spreader, did about 120 acres of pasture. Granted we were fortunate it rained 2 days after we put it on. I was still amazed at how much more grass we got where we spread the fertilizer as opposed to where we didn’t. Farming without fossil fuels? Wouldn’t be any point imo.

[shtferbrains]

Fords largest at home 240volt charger takes 10 hrs to charge according to data from ford
Or 2 hrs charging for every 1 hr of highway driving in good conditions and Goldilocks temperatures.

The 110volt that someone who parks on the street might use takes 95 hrs.

How is that going to work to get multiple times more energy into a tractor or any type of industrial equipment?

[Guest]

All the brain dead fuks know it won’t work

[chuckChuck]

All the major ag manufacturers are looking at non fossil fuel options for powering equipment.

Hydrogen is the most likely candidate. But electric has a fit on many of the worlds small farms.

And the number one fossil energy input into crop production by far is nitrogen fertilizer. Roughly 50%.

Ammonia can be made using renewable energy. There is larger sized farm at Sperling Manitoba piloting an on farm ammonia plant using solar PV.

Producing your own ammonia and hydrogen on farm? Very independent minded farmers will never go for that will they?

They would rather buy it from a big, near monopoly input supplier who likes to jackup the price on a whim?

[furrowtickler]

Yup they are looking , and have prototypes, I stated that , but they are years away from full production. Stewy wants to end petroleum right now with his squawking, completely unrealistic at this time .
Yup a few small farms may use electric tractors but at what cost ? Pay a fortune for a small tractor that you can only use a few hours a day ?

Yup nitrogen fertilizer does require the petroleum industry. And is required for all plant growth, but its harmful effects are grossly over exaggerated by the climate cult .

The idea of ammonia production from solar is interesting. But useless to produce in 5 months of the year I would think ? Time will tell on that one , still many years from mainstream

They use of biologicals that will fixate Nitrogen in cereals and oilseeds will become mainstay a decade before hydrogen. They have been out for a few years already and will be common place within a few years .

Many farms would buy , and do from the lowest price possible. We already got ours for next year at nearly 50% cheaper than last year . And not from the local “big” input supplier at jacked up prices

You post is full of false assumptions and a lot of presumptions yet again

[blackpowder]

That's an understatement.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All the major ag manufacturers are looking at non fossil fuel options for powering equipment.

Hydrogen is the most likely candidate. But electric has a fit on many of the worlds small farms.

And the number one fossil energy input into crop production by far is nitrogen fertilizer. Roughly 50%.

Ammonia can be made using renewable energy. There is larger sized farm at Sperling Manitoba piloting an on farm ammonia plant using solar PV.

Producing your own ammonia and hydrogen on farm? Very independent minded farmers will never go for that will they?

They would rather buy it from a big, near monopoly input supplier who likes to jackup the price on a whim?

Nitrogen can definitely be produced from unreliable solar or wind generation, instead of from fossil fuels. At what cost is yet to be seen. I've stated in the past, that this is likely the best possible fit for unreliable generation.

But what about the Sulfur component of fertilizer? Where will we obtain that from if the NFU achieves it's goal of eliminating fossil fuels? Do they have any position on this matter? Offer any solutions?

[furrowtickler]

Nitrogen can definitely be produced from unreliable solar or wind generation, instead of from fossil fuels. At what cost is yet to be seen. I've stated in the past, that this is likely the best possible fit for unreliable generation.

But what about the Sulfur component of fertilizer? Where will we obtain that from if the NFU achieves it's goal of eliminating fossil fuels? Do they have any position on this matter? Offer any solutions?

They want to cut all fert out , nitrogen is just the low hanging fruit . But very soon , biologicals will cut N requirements and keep large scale farms profitable….. that’s why that crowd ignores it.

Bio Sul is a very effective sulfur source. Plus it’s made with compost which should be front and Center for the enviro crowd . But it’s ignored cause that crowd has no clue

Remember, they believe regen ag is the wave of the future. But that wave crashes when the same part of the green crowd wants desperately to eliminate livestock production. Without livestock regen ag will be dead in the water , and so will crops without fertilizer.
Organic is fine until they get overrun with weeds , then the land becomes useless.
You can grow cover crops great but in short growing seasons and limited moisture cover crops will completely have the opposite effect .
There are products out there that will build soil structure much more effectively and on a wide scale quickly than Gabe Brown's method , products like Crop Aid Plus . But again ignored cause most don’t have a clue , they just want hobby farms period.
Gabe would be screwed without livestock. Does it work , yup he proves it , but in way longer growing seasons and much higher rainfall areas . It is not and never will be an all in everywhere farming technique.
Certain localized pockets … yup .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As you noted, Bio-sul is recycled sulfur. A great idea, but considering all the uses for sulfur in modern industries, and all of the leaks in the food chain which can not be recycled, we still need to extract massive amounts of new S. And the only significant source is as a byproduct of fossil fuels, specifically sour oil and gas. Eliminate those, and there are no affordable scalable alternatives as of today.
For example, how could we recover and recycle the sulfur used in the gunpowder which the warmongers are happily exploding all over Ukraine right now?

And no, I don't really expect Chuck or the NFU who fail to comprehend the simple concept of photosynthesis to understand anything about nutrient cycling.

[WiltonRanch]

As you noted, Bio-sul is recycled sulfur. A great idea, but considering all the uses for sulfur in modern industries, and all of the leaks in the food chain which can not be recycled, we still need to extract massive amounts of new S. And the only significant source is as a byproduct of fossil fuels, specifically sour oil and gas. Eliminate those, and there are no affordable scalable alternatives as of today.
For example, how could we recover and recycle the sulfur used in the gunpowder which the warmongers are happily exploding all over Ukraine right now?

And no, I don't really expect Chuck or the NFU who fail to comprehend the simple concept of photosynthesis to understand anything about nutrient cycling.

I swear there’s copious amounts of devils lettuce consumption at nfu conventions and probably by members in the comfort of their homes because of the lunatic shit they come up with. Nazis ran on meth and heroin, soviets vodka, tree hugger eco warriors weed.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All the major ag manufacturers are looking at non fossil fuel options for powering equipment.

Yes, for example Allis Chalmers has been working on commercializing a hydrogen powered tractor since 1951. At this breakneck pace, we should be all fully converted to hydrogen powered tractors sometime in the next four or five generations.
That sounds like the kind of expedited solution one would look for to solve an existential crisis such as the climate emergency.

And Allis Chalmers wasn't alone, I seem to recall the other majors also working on this technology during that era.
It's almost as if the market has established that fossil fuels are still the most cost-effective way to power mobile equipment.