Stewie …. C’mon man 🙄

[AlbertaFarmer5]

As you noted, Bio-sul is recycled sulfur. A great idea, but considering all the uses for sulfur in modern industries, and all of the leaks in the food chain which can not be recycled, we still need to extract massive amounts of new S. And the only significant source is as a byproduct of fossil fuels, specifically sour oil and gas. Eliminate those, and there are no affordable scalable alternatives as of today.
For example, how could we recover and recycle the sulfur used in the gunpowder which the warmongers are happily exploding all over Ukraine right now?

And no, I don't really expect Chuck or the NFU who fail to comprehend the simple concept of photosynthesis to understand anything about nutrient cycling.

[WiltonRanch]

As you noted, Bio-sul is recycled sulfur. A great idea, but considering all the uses for sulfur in modern industries, and all of the leaks in the food chain which can not be recycled, we still need to extract massive amounts of new S. And the only significant source is as a byproduct of fossil fuels, specifically sour oil and gas. Eliminate those, and there are no affordable scalable alternatives as of today.
For example, how could we recover and recycle the sulfur used in the gunpowder which the warmongers are happily exploding all over Ukraine right now?

And no, I don't really expect Chuck or the NFU who fail to comprehend the simple concept of photosynthesis to understand anything about nutrient cycling.

I swear there’s copious amounts of devils lettuce consumption at nfu conventions and probably by members in the comfort of their homes because of the lunatic shit they come up with. Nazis ran on meth and heroin, soviets vodka, tree hugger eco warriors weed.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All the major ag manufacturers are looking at non fossil fuel options for powering equipment.

Yes, for example Allis Chalmers has been working on commercializing a hydrogen powered tractor since 1951. At this breakneck pace, we should be all fully converted to hydrogen powered tractors sometime in the next four or five generations.
That sounds like the kind of expedited solution one would look for to solve an existential crisis such as the climate emergency.

And Allis Chalmers wasn't alone, I seem to recall the other majors also working on this technology during that era.
It's almost as if the market has established that fossil fuels are still the most cost-effective way to power mobile equipment.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

John Kerry:

"Agriculture contributes about 33% of all the emissions of the world. And we can’t get to net zero—we don’t get this job done—unless agriculture is front and centre as part of the solution."

"You just can’t continue to both warm the planet, while also expecting to feed it. It doesn’t work. So we have to reduce emissions from the food system."

What is the NFU's opinion on this Chuck? Do they agree with Kerry?

[biglentil]

I swear there’s copious amounts of devils lettuce consumption at nfu conventions and probably by members in the comfort of their homes because of the lunatic shit they come up with. Nazis ran on meth and heroin, soviets vodka, tree hugger eco warriors weed.

One thing I know they consume is the cult of 'the science' which is anything but actual science. Ie) more than two genders, men can have babies, global warming, the pandemic....

[chuckChuck]

You guys still struggling with the fact that most voters don't agree with your regressive glass half full view of the world? LOL

Even in good old Alberta nearly half the voters voted NDP. And the province is installing massive amounts of solar and wind energy.

Danny Smith and Crypto Polly both say climate change is real and they plan on cutting emissions.

Agrisilly home of the flat earthers and climate change deniers who cant face the future nor deal with reality.

[furrowtickler]

You guys still struggling with the fact that most voters don't agree with your regressive glass half full view of the world? LOL

Even in good old Alberta nearly half the voters voted NDP. And the province is installing massive amounts of solar and wind energy.

Danny Smith and Crypto Polly both say climate change is real and they plan on cutting emissions.

Agrisilly home of the flat earthers and climate change deniers who cant face the future nor deal with reality.

Most voters have the wool pulled over their eyes .
Yup solar and wind will provide a small percentage of intermittent power. But the “voters” have been lead to believe that will save the planet and we can eliminate fossil fuels tomorrow, like Stews rant …. Well simply started this thread to show how absurd that is .
Reality is fossil fuels must stay around for a long time yet until viable alternatives are readily available in Ag . And that won’t be for a very long time .
I laid out several things a lot of farms are doing , and I would think you’re not doing at all …… so who’s progressive ????

Being a climate change skeptic is more the term for 98% of us on agriville.

[chuckChuck]

Manitoba plans to use wind power to double or triple energy-generating capacity over next 2 decades

Future hydro-electric dams likely too costly, despite growing demand for electricity
Bartley Kives · CBC News · Posted: Jul 28, 2023 11:52 AM CDT | Last Updated: July 28

Manitoba says it needs to double or triple its electricity-generating capacity over the next two decades — and it won't build new hydroelectric dams to meet that goal.

The province plans to rely on wind farms and other forms of green power to boost generating capacity from 6,600 megawatts right now to somewhere between 10,000 and 16,000 megawatts by the 2040s, according to a new energy policy announced on Friday.

A growing demand for cleaner energy has increased demand for hydroelectric power and that demand is set to rise as more companies phase out natural gas and petroleum products, Manitoba Hydro board chair Edward Kennedy told reporters outside the Crown corporation's downtown Winnipeg headquarters.

This will force Hydro to increase its generating capacity and save more power. On the generation front, Hydro expects to rely primarily on wind power, likely by purchasing from private companies and then selling it to consumers and industrial customers.

Premier Heather Stefanson said this does not mean Manitoba Hydro is for sale.

"Manitoba Hydro will remain the sole energy provider for Manitoba. That means any private providers will always need to sell power to Hydro and rates will always be set by the Public Utilities Board," Stefanson said at the same news conference.

Sandy Riley, a former Manitoba Hydro board chair who is assisting the province with its energy policy, said Manitoba did not invest in wind power in the past because it possessed an excess of generating capacity.

That's no longer the case and there is no prospect of engaging in new hydroelectric megaprojects. The high cost of Hydro's most recently completed generating station, Keeyask on the Nelson River, makes future investments in dams highly unlikely, Kennedy said.

Canada's looming power problem is massive but not insurmountable: report

"That last generating station exceeded the cost of the book value of all of our other generating stations combined but created only 11 per cent more capacity and doubled the debt of Manitoba Hydro to $22 billion," he said.

On the savings front, Hydro said it will explore the use of battery storage to even out the high winter demand for power with the lower summer demands.

The new energy policy also calls for Manitoba Hydro to utilize "smart meters" that could charge consumers lower rates for power during off-peak hours.

NDP Leader Wab Kinew criticized this idea, characterizing it as "surge pricing."
A man in a suit flanked by a woman and a man, both in suits.
Former Manitoba Hydro board chair Sandy Riley, centre, is assisting the province with its new energy policy. (Bartley Kives/CBC)

The province's new energy strategy also calls for major investments in electricity transmission and distribution, as well as the careful selection of new industrial developments that use electricity.

Right now, the province is considering 18 energy-intensive industrial proposals that together would require 4,400 megawatts of power.

As a result, the province will give preference to industrial proposals that provide the greatest economic benefit as well as the lowest environmental impact.

"It will require a lot of nimble, careful selection of technology and investment," Kennedy said.
$3B solar-panel manufacturing campus

One of those proposals already favoured by the province is a plan by German manufacturer RCT Solutions to build a $3-billion solar panel production campus near Winnipeg.

It would employ 8,000 people and produce enough panels to generate 10 gigawatts of power — that is, 10,000 megawatts — every year.

RCT founder Peter Fath said the campus would be built out in stages, likely at a site or sites close to Winnipeg, and would eventually be powered by the panels it manufactures.

He said Manitoba is attractive because it offers carbon-neutral hydroelectric power, a lot of annual sunshine, good logistics for shipping and an abundance of ultrapure silica sand, the raw material for solar panels.

The province, however, has yet to approve a proposal by Calgary mining company Sio Silica to drill below the surface for this sand. Fath said other North American jurisdictions would compete with Manitoba for this plant if sand mining does not go ahead here.

"Our preferred choice is Manitoba and I'm totally positive that the Manitoba government, which is so supportive, will find a way to clear this licensing issue," Fath said Friday in a telephone interview from Boston.

The province signed a memorandum of understanding with RCT Solutions earlier this week. Environment and Climate Minister Kevin Klein said that does not increase pressure on him to approve Sio Silica's proposal.

The Clean Environmental Commission, Manitoba's environmental regulator, raised concerns in June that sand extraction could diminish the quality of water in an aquifer that serves as a source of drinking water for tens of thousands of Manitobans.

An Alberta miner's proposal to drill 7,200 wells near Winnipeg has rural residents on edge

Sio Silica CEO Feisal Somji said in an interview he hopes those concerns can be addressed in a licence that would require his firm to demonstrate, via testing, that its sand-extraction methods do not have adverse effects on drinking water.

The new energy policy also said the cost of making Manitoba's electricity generation entirely free of greenhouse gas emissions — right now, it's 97 per cent emissions-free — would be inordinately expensive. Some natural gas will continue to be used in the coming decades, it envisioned.

Curt Hull, project director at Climate Change Connection, said the plan ought to envision an entirely electric future.

[fjlip]

NONE of that is necessary, total WASTE of resources, time labor and $$$$$. For what gain?

Make work for some, CRAZY long term debt for your grands/ society. Like $million$ per job obsolete battery plant.

Rather FIX aging infrastructure, roads, bridges, WATER/ sewer lines, OLD power lines!

Be no $$ left for those. What a shit show, a distraction.

[furrowtickler]

Why all these wizards can’t get it through their thick skulls that the new incredibly effective and safe nuclear power plants are the way to go ?
They are wasting so much money in intermittently produced power when what’s needed is a steady baseline power .
This is Canada , it’s cold 5 months of the year and solar output is very low . Does it still work , ya kinda, but wind and solar can’t even scratch the surface for the power needed in a Canadian winter
Nuclear is the only reasonable option if they want to replace fossil fuel energy for the grid .
And ya no kidding , hydro will never increase , some of us have been saying that for over a decade. But now reality is starring them in the face .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I seem to recall Chuck telling us that the solution to intermittent energy in the prairie provinces is to import reliable hydropower from manitoba to meet the shortfall. How is that going to work when Manitoba themselves stop building hydro, and instead double their capacity to meet growing demand using wind and solar. There will be no more Peter to rob to pay Paul at that point.
Perhaps no one thought this through.

[furrowtickler]

I seem to recall Chuck telling us that the solution to intermittent energy in the prairie provinces is to import reliable hydropower from manitoba to meet the shortfall. How is that going to work when Manitoba themselves stop building hydro, and instead double their capacity to meet growing demand using wind and solar. There will be no more Peter to rob to pay Paul at that point.
Perhaps no one thought this through.

That’s exactly what he was spouting off about .