The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion is a disaster for everyone but Alberta

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The title of this thread is so funny, that I had to come up with an analogy the anti capitalists might comprehend.

Repairing the family car so Mom and dad can go back to work to pay the mortgage and buy groceries and keep the light and heat turned on, and pay taxes, and contribute to the GDP is a disaster for everyone except their employer.
Edit to add. The ones who repaired the car, were the same ones who sabotaged it in the first place and held mom and dad for ransom, refusing to let them repair it themselves.

[WiltonRanch]

Governments original purpose was to provide a stable operating environment for business' to succeed thus providing wealth for the people.

Exactly. Funny thing if it’s good to do business here you could probably up royalties too. Present and even past environment here royalties had to be low to not only spark exploration but keep producers going. Detractors consistently make note of subsidies given to oil companies but it is apparent the same if not better treatment is given to other sectors of the economy. It is kind of sad that is how any business has to operate in a country needing government help but seems a necessary evil these days. Take with one hand and give back with the other.

I was in Seattle this weekend for a vacation the first in 4 years. Got talking with some folks. Same story there with present administration. It’s a state of not necessarily chaos but something similar. Whether it is the border or the economy people are disgusted with the direction or lack thereof. Our countries are suffering from high interest, inflation, and recession at the same time. What I find interesting is that dollar for dollar prices on goods are the same as here except our dollar is worth 32% less. That is out of wack I think will correct itself eventually.

[furrowtickler]

Exactly. Funny thing if it’s good to do business here you could probably up royalties too. Present and even past environment here royalties had to be low to not only spark exploration but keep producers going. Detractors consistently make note of subsidies given to oil companies but it is apparent the same if not better treatment is given to other sectors of the economy. It is kind of sad that is how any business has to operate in a country needing government help but seems a necessary evil these days. Take with one hand and give back with the other.

I was in Seattle this weekend for a vacation the first in 4 years. Got talking with some folks. Same story there with present administration. It’s a state of not necessarily chaos but something similar. Whether it is the border or the economy people are disgusted with the direction or lack thereof. Our countries are suffering from high interest, inflation, and recession at the same time. What I find interesting is that dollar for dollar prices on goods are the same as here except our dollar is worth 32% less. That is out of wack I think will correct itself eventually.

Seen the same thing , I was there 2 weeks ago .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I just figured out why Trudeau approved the pipeline and is so happy to pour countless billions at it. It's right there in the name.
TRANS mountain. He probably thought it was just a variation on the brokeback mountain theme.

[furrowtickler]

This is the Timeline of the Trans Mountain Pipelines from the non biased CBC.
Hard to remember that it was a simple twining of an existing pipeline on the existing right of way.
Lay a new pipe beside the one that had been operating for 60 yrs virtually unnoticed.

October 1953: The Trans Mountain pipeline begins shipping oil with an initial capacity of 150,000 barrels per day. The project features four pump stations along its 1,150-kilometre route and a marine dock that connects loading facilities on the east side of Edmonton with ocean tankers in Burnaby, B.C.

1957: Pipeline capacity is expanded via the construction of a 160-kilometre pipeline loop. The Westridge Marine Terminal is built and commissioned in Burnaby, B.C.

Jan. 14, 1985: Trans Mountain's biggest spill occurs at a tank farm in the Edmonton area. Nearly 10,000 barrels of oil are released.

2006 - 2008: The Anchor Loop project adds 160 kilometres of new pipeline through Jasper National Park and Mount Robson Provincial Park between Hinton, Alta., and Hargreaves, B.C. The extension includes 13 new pump stations and modifications to existing stations, increasing capacity from 260,000 bpd to 300,000 bpd.

Feb. 21, 2012: Kinder Morgan says it wants to expand the Trans Mountain pipeline after receiving support from oil shippers and will begin public consultations.

Dec. 16, 2013: An application is made to the National Energy Board (NEB) to expand the Trans Mountain pipeline. Construction is proposed to begin in 2017, with the aim of having oil flow through the expansion by December 2019.

November 2014: More than 100 people are arrested after they camp out in a conservation area on Burnaby Mountain, east of Vancouver, to block crews from conducting drilling and survey work related to the pipeline expansion. Most of the charges are later dropped.

August 2015: The NEB postpones public hearings after striking from the record economic evidence prepared by a Kinder Morgan consultant who was to begin working for the regulator.

Jan. 12, 2016: Alberta Premier Rachel Notley says in a written submission to the NEB that the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion is in the best interests of both Alberta and Canada.

Jan. 27, 2016: The federal Liberal government says pipeline projects such as the Trans Mountain expansion will now be assessed in part on the greenhouse gas emissions produced in the extraction and processing of the oil they carry. Proponents will also be required to improve consultations with First Nations.

May 17, 2016: Ottawa appoints a three-member panel to conduct an environmental review of the Trans Mountain expansion project.

May 29, 2016: The NEB recommends approval of the pipeline, subject to 157 conditions, concluding that it is in the public interest.

Nov. 29, 2016: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sanctions the Trans Mountain expansion, part of a sweeping announcement that also saw approval of Enbridge's Line 3 pipeline replacement but the end of its Northern Gateway project.

Jan. 11, 2017: B.C. Premier Christy Clark announces her support for the project, saying Kinder Morgan has met five government conditions including a revenue-sharing agreement worth up to $1 billion.

May 15, 2017: The Federal Court of Appeal grants Notley's government intervener status in a lawsuit filed by municipalities and First Nations against the project.

May 25, 2017: Kinder Morgan makes its final investment decision to proceed with the development, now estimated to cost $7.4 billion, subject to the successful public offering of Kinder Morgan Canada.

May 29, 2017: The B.C. NDP and Greens agree to form a coalition to topple the Liberal party, which won a minority government in an election earlier in the month. The two coalition partners agree to "immediately employ every tool available" to stop the project.

May 30, 2017: Kinder Morgan Canada debuts on the Toronto Stock Exchange after a $1.75-billion public offering.

June 29, 2017: The B.C. Liberals lose a no-confidence vote, clearing the way for NDP Leader John Horgan to become premier.

Aug. 10, 2017: The B.C. NDP government hires former judge Thomas Berger to provide legal advice as it seeks intervener status in the legal challenges against the project filed by municipalities and First Nations.

Oct. 26, 2017: Kinder Morgan Canada asks the NEB to allow work to begin despite a failure to obtain municipal permits from the City of Burnaby.
Dec. 7, 2017: NEB allows Kinder Morgan Canada to bypass Burnaby bylaws.

Jan. 17, 2018: Kinder Morgan Canada warns the Trans Mountain expansion project could be a year behind schedule.

Jan. 18, 2018: NEB establishes a process to resolve permitting issues between Kinder Morgan Canada and provincial and municipal authorities.

Jan. 30, 2018: B.C. government moves to restrict any increase in diluted bitumen shipments until it conducts more spill response studies, a move that increases the uncertainty for Trans Mountain.

March 9, 2018: B.C. Supreme Court grants interim injunction aimed at preventing anti-pipeline activists from protesting construction at two terminals in Burnaby.

March 15, 2018: B.C. Supreme Court grants indefinite injunction preventing protesters from coming within five metres of two work sites for the project.

March 23, 2018: Green Party Leader Elizabeth May and New Democrat MP Kennedy Stewart are arrested at a protest against the pipeline expansion; Federal Court of Appeal dismisses a B.C. government bid challenging a NEB ruling that allows Kinder Morgan Canada to bypass local bylaws.

March 27, 2018: City of Burnaby says it will file an appeal to the Supreme Court in connection with the Federal Court of Appeal ruling.

April 8, 2018: Kinder Morgan Canada suspends non-essential spending on the Trans Mountain expansion project and sets a May 31 deadline to reach agreements with stakeholders.

May 29, 2018: Federal government announces deal to buy the pipeline and expansion project from Kinder Morgan Canada for $4.5 billion.

Aug. 23, 2018: The Supreme Court refuses to reconsider a lower court decision that denied Burnaby leave to appeal the NEB ruling.

Aug. 30, 2018: The Federal Court of Appeal overturns the Trudeau government's approval of the pipeline expansion. In a unanimous decision by a panel of three judges, the court says the NEB's review of the project was so flawed that the federal government could not rely on it as a basis for its decision to approve the expansion.

Sept. 15, 2018: Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi orders the NEB to undertake a new environmental assessment of the impact additional oil tankers off the coast of British Columbia will have, with a specific focus on the risks to southern resident killer whales. The NEB has until late February to report back.

Sept. 26, 2018: The NEB assigns a new panel to run the hearings and sets deadlines for comments.

Oct. 3, 2018: Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi hires former Supreme Court of Canada Justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee a new round of Indigenous consultations. No deadline is set for the completion of the process.

Feb. 22, 2019: The NEB recommends to cabinet that it approve the project again, subject to 16 new conditions, and says although an oil spill could be significant, the project provides considerable benefits and there are measures that can be taken to minimize the effects. The federal cabinet has 90 days — until May 22 — to respond with a decision.

Apr. 18, 2019: Sohi announces cabinet has decided to push the pipeline decision back until June 18 citing a need to take more time to complete Indigenous consultations.

June 18, 2019: Federal Liberal government approves the expansion a second time, requiring that all federal revenue it generates be reinvested in clean energy and green technology, including an estimated $500 million a year in new annual corporate tax revenues and the proceeds from the sale of the entire expanded pipeline back to the private sector.


Sorry for the long cut and paste. There is much more as this was a 2019 article to the time the Government took it over.
No doubt why Kinder Morgan gave up on Canada and with the continued regulatory delays and cost overruns it is doubtful we will ever see another pipeline built in our country.

Governments original purpose was to provide a stable operating environment for business' to succeed thus providing wealth for the people.

Ahhh yes , the rest of the story . Thanks , for all to see

[chuckChuck]

You gotta laugh that Danny Smith decided to halt renewable energy projects in part to make sure they are funded for clean up? Huh?

In the province that has billions of dollars of unfunded oil sites to clean up that they want to taxpayers to pay for?

What a double standard nut case!

Hilarious!

[shtferbrains]

That orphan well problem is an old problem.

You think they should make the same mistake with huge areas of ugly solar panels covering thousands of acres?

Seems prudent to me.

Isn't an orphan well a pipe sticking out of the ground in most cases?

[binthere]

So chuck the marxist way of two wrongs makes it right instead of being proactive is better. Duh. Doh. Ohhh. LOL.

[WiltonRanch]

You gotta laugh that Danny Smith decided to halt renewable energy projects in part to make sure they are funded for clean up? Huh?

In the province that has billions of dollars of unfunded oil sites to clean up that they want to taxpayers to pay for?

What a double standard nut case!

Hilarious!

Any oil and gas project has to put funds into a kitty for future indemnities. Orphans exist because this mechanism did not exist at that time. If renewable producers want to be truly green and responsible operating under the same structure shouldn’t be a problem. It isn’t like they have to spend the huge sums to properly cap the well and remediate the lease site. Shouldn’t be any contaminated dirt to deal with neither. The wind turbines I understand might be a bit more work to remediate as the concrete bases are big and deep understandably. There is nothing wrong with ensuring companies don’t cut and run leaving a mess. I do not understand why you consider this a double standard.

[Guest]

You gotta laugh that Danny Smith decided to halt renewable energy projects in part to make sure they are funded for clean up? Huh?

In the province that has billions of dollars of unfunded oil sites to clean up that they want to taxpayers to pay for?

What a double standard nut case!

Hilarious!

Are you for real ?
Did Danny cause the problem ?
Should she let them do it again with this Chinese steel/garbage/plastic/CARBON, YES CARBON fibre blades , and thousands upon thousand yards of concrete ?
WTF is wrong with you ?

[TSIPP]

Are you for real ?
Did Danny cause the problem ?
Should she let them do it again with this Chinese steel/garbage/plastic/CARBON, YES CARBON fibre blades , and thousands upon thousand yards of concrete ?
WTF is wrong with you ?

I have an answer to the first and last question

NO!
EVERY THING!

[chuckChuck]

Is Danny going to halt approvals for more oil development untill they figure out who is going to pay for cleaning up all the oil wells and the tar sands and where the new facilities should be located? Hell no! LOL

And I didn't say there shouldn't be a plan for end of life renewable energy sites and materials or that locations should be carefully chosen.

But why make the rules for new renewable energy sites more stringent when you continue to have weak or almost non existent rules for the oil industry? She wants taxpayers to pay for the small percentage that will be cleaned up.

In the province that claims to be open for business, she wants to add more red tape and interfere in the affairs of private landowners and energy companies? LOL

More Alberta politics with the usual conservative double standard.