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    With green energy halt, UCP declares a moratorium on Alberta's reputation

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/braid-with-green-energy-halt-ucp-declares-a-moratorium-on-albertas-reputation/wcm/ed569a84-b6c3-4fc4-83bd-68d4ef902a69

    Don Braid: With green energy halt, UCP declares a moratorium on Alberta's reputation

    Alberta has refused a moratorium on any part of oil and gas for decades, but now abruptly declares one on solar and wind
    Author of the article:
    Don Braid • Calgary Herald
    Published Aug 04, 2023 • 3 minute read

    When did an Alberta conservative government ever de-boom a thriving economic sector?

    Never — until Thursday, when the UCP announced a six-month moratorium on new green energy projects.

    This sector is too hot to handle, apparently. So many projects at once clogging the landscape with wind turbines and solar panels.

    Rural people are complaining. But angst in the countryside never stopped governments when oil and gas wells dotted the farmland, and you could probably see nighttime natural gas flares from the moon.

    Alberta is attracting more investment into green projects than any other province. The wind blows, the money flows, and we get lucky — again.

    First came the long run of oil and natural gas, producing immense wealth. Now, abundant sunshine and wind, along with infrastructure and deep energy know-how, put us at the very top rank of green energy aspirations in the world.

    And yet, the government calls a halt to all new applications and approvals until next February.

    One stated reason is growing regulatory muddle with the volume of projects.

    Exactly the same concerns followed oil and gas wherever they went. That never stopped decades of development, despite the constant background worry about spills, leaks and sour gas blowouts.

    The great Lodgepole well eruption of 1982 threatened environment and health for 68 days before it was finally capped. But there was no moratorium.

    There has never been a sun spill or a wind leak, as far as I know. And yet, we have a moratorium.

    Every energy action has impacts, of course. Solar panel projects cover a lot of ground. Rows of wind turbines can seem inhuman and oddly creepy. They’re dangerous to birds.

    But they draw clean, useful energy from Alberta’s vast windscapes, without pollution or significant emissions.

    U of C economics professor Blake Shaffer, who specializes in climate policy and electricity, said on social media: “Still trying to wrap my head around this.

    “It’s anti-business. It casts a pall on renewable investment in the province.

    “It’s anti-property rights. All deals are done on private land, privately negotiated.

    “And it runs counter to Alberta’s need to decarbonize its electric system.”

    The moratorium could also cause more trouble with Ottawa. The UCP claims Alberta can’t get off natural gas to produce electricity by the federal deadline, 2035.

    That’s despite the province’s best efforts. Now they’ve halted the efforts.

    The UCP surely could have slowed the pace without declaring a formal moratorium. New approvals could quietly be set aside for a few months. Heaven knows, public agencies are skilled at taking their time.

    But they came out with this big splash. Why is that?

    One reason is significant hostility to the green agenda in the UCP base. That’s reflected by some members of the UCP’s powerful rural caucus.

    The government owes the rural sector for its election win. Now it’s paying, dramatically.

    Moratorium talk is nothing new in Alberta’s energy world.

    In 2006, former PC premier and founder Peter Lougheed began to argue passionately for a halt to any new oilsands projects.

    He said the rapid growth was not only environmentally dangerous but wasteful, because natural gas that fuels bitumen projects could be better put to other uses, including petrochemicals.

    The late premier, who was in office from 1971 to 1985, had been involved in the oilsands expansion. But two decades later he saw what was happening to the environment, and what was coming on climate change.

    A new premier, Ed Stelmach, took over in 2006 from Ralph Klein. He completely rejected Lougheed’s argument.

    Stelmach told an audience in Washington that they should not believe the “myth” of environmental damage caused by the oilsands. He pleaded for investment.

    At the same time, Stelmach faced growing rural hostility to the effect of oilsands operations on roads, services, environment and rural quality of life.

    But there was no moratorium when the problem was oil and gas.

    Now we have the strangest one possible, in large measure because it doesn’t hit the sacred sector.

    Don Braid’s column appears regularly in the Herald.

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    I think it’s time you enroll chuck , probably past time .

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      #3
      well done Danelle 👍. their is too many of them eyesore bird choppers allready

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        #4
        Obscene waste of resources, effort, $$$, crazy amount of buried cables connecting them! Ugly costly bird grinders. Never pay for the cost of construction and specialized maintenance of such a MASSIVE size. 300' tall, 1000's of tonnes of concrete, not recyclable...remediate that smarties.

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          #5
          Chuck2 I was listening to Premier Smith yesterday morning on QR 770 on her bi weekly call in show My Premier, My Province. The question of the moratorium came up. The basic problem is that for every megawatt of solar or wind generation you install you must have a megawatt of natural gas generation built to back up for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. The Federal government through constant regulatory changes has created a situation where there are no new proposals for natural gas fired electricity generation. Wind and solar are not capable of being on demand baseline generation. They are intermittent and when available other generation sources must be ramped up or down quickly to balance the grid. But don’t expect Don Braid to give both sides of the story!!!

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            #6
            Nobody is saying that you cant use gas for a backup.

            The AESO oversees the whole system. The graph below is is what they are seeing in terms of renewables including growth in storage.

            It's not the AESO that is saying we need a moratorium to sort out how best to manage the transition to low carbon emission sources.

            That is a political decision made by a party that wants to protect the oil and gas industry.

            The free market pro business party that wants to pick winners and losers? LOL

            How much more anti-freemarket can you get than a moratorium on energy companies and willing landowners going about their business? Their pro business and investment credentials are in tatters.

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              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
              That is a political decision made by a party that wants to protect the oil and gas industry.
              It is not the oil and gas industry that needs "protection". Oil and gas worldwide still provides well over 80% of all primary energy. The needle hasn't even budged in spite of the trillions spent on wind and solar.
              It's the consumers and the industries who require reliable affordable energy and are forced to pay for this expensive folly who need protection.

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                Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                Nobody is saying that you cant use gas for a backup.

                The AESO oversees the whole system. The graph below is is what they are seeing in terms of renewables including growth in storage.

                It's not the AESO that is saying we need a moratorium to sort out how best to manage the transition to low carbon emission sources.

                That is a political decision made by a party that wants to protect the oil and gas industry.

                The free market pro business party that wants to pick winners and losers? LOL

                How much more anti-freemarket can you get than a moratorium on energy companies and willing landowners going about their business? Their pro business and investment credentials are in tatters.

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                Hmmm maybe you better ask Stephen Guilbeault. Why are there no new proposals for Natural gas generators then? I don’t think this has anything to do with protecting oil and gas. Certainly might have something to do with protecting the electricity consumer in Alberta.

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                  #9
                  Wind just rocking again today.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                    Wind just rocking again today.
                    If anyone can't read this, As of 10 AM, wind is performing at ~0.07% of capacity.
                    Good thing it is closer to 30 above, rather than 30 below, at least no one will freeze to death.

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                      Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                      Hmmm maybe you better ask Stephen Guilbeault. Why are there no new proposals for Natural gas generators then? I don’t think this has anything to do with protecting oil and gas. Certainly might have something to do with protecting the electricity consumer in Alberta.
                      If you want to protect consumers you would use Saskatchewan and Manitobas regulated model where prices are lower!

                      Both provinces are also planning on large investments in wind and solar by the way to reduce emissions.

                      When the wind and solar are rocking you turn down the gas. Can't be that hard can it? LOL

                      Definately we need back up. I do think the utilities and the AESO in Alberta have thought of that don't you think?

                      But for some of petro potatoe heads, any amount of renewables is too much. And they make all kinds of feeble excuses.

                      Meanwhile the rest of the world is planning for lots of new renewables that are now the cheapest electrcity generated on the planet.

                      Do you really think we are going to stick with fossil fuels when solar energy along with ammonia, hydrogen and other storage systems including EV batteries will make fossil energy obsolete someday?

                      "Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use."

                      And that doesnt include wind and tidal sources.

                      https://www.energy.gov/articles/top-6-things-you-didnt-know-about-solar-energy

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                        Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                        Chuck2 I was listening to Premier Smith yesterday morning on QR 770 on her bi weekly call in show My Premier, My Province. The question of the moratorium came up. The basic problem is that for every megawatt of solar or wind generation you install you must have a megawatt of natural gas generation built to back up for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. The Federal government through constant regulatory changes has created a situation where there are no new proposals for natural gas fired electricity generation. Wind and solar are not capable of being on demand baseline generation. They are intermittent and when available other generation sources must be ramped up or down quickly to balance the grid. But don’t expect Don Braid to give both sides of the story!!!
                        The feds have offered subsidies for carbon capture and storage in Alberta for all kinds of industries.

                        Saskatchewan is currently building more gas plants under the same federal regulatory environment.

                        I think the problem in Alberta is the renewables are too successful for the climate change deniers and skeptics. Oil rich Alberta leading the country in renewables? Say it ain't so.... It was a bad look for the rural flatearthers that irritated the hell out of them. LOL

                        Its just more politics. First thing Dougie Ford did was cancel wind and solar contracts. Now plans for more wind and solar in Ontario are coming back along with much more expensive investments in nuclear.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                          If you want to protect consumers you would use Saskatchewan and Manitobas regulated model where prices are lower!

                          Both provinces are also planning on large investments in wind and solar by the way to reduce emissions.

                          When the wind and solar are rocking you turn down the gas. Can't be that hard can it? LOL

                          Definately we need back up. I do think the utilities and the AESO in Alberta have thought of that don't you think?

                          But for some of petro potatoe heads, any amount of renewables is too much. And they make all kinds of feeble excuses.

                          Meanwhile the rest of the world is planning for lots of new renewables that are now the cheapest electrcity generated on the planet.

                          Do you really think we are going to stick with fossil fuels when solar energy along with ammonia, hydrogen and other storage systems including EV batteries will make fossil energy obsolete someday?

                          "Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use."

                          And that doesnt include wind and tidal sources.

                          https://www.energy.gov/articles/top-6-things-you-didnt-know-about-solar-energy
                          Obviously solar and wind are not the cheapest source of electrical generation. The higher the amount of wind and solar generation infrastructure the more expensive our electricity becomes. I have posted many times on the rising cost of our open market electricity, not subsidized, not government owned like other provinces. In Alberta we can see how it affects what a consumer has to pay for higher renewable penetration and the taxation and regulation policies of the federal liberals!!!!

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                            #14
                            Yes they are at the point of generation. There are additional costs to integrate them into the system but they are the cheapest generation sources in most places.

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                              #15
                              how much does a large wind turbine cost ? how much does it cost per year mantain ? how many years does it take to pay for investment ? give us real numbers not some dreamers fantasy

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