With green energy halt, UCP declares a moratorium on Alberta's reputation

[chuckChuck]

Hmmm maybe you better ask Stephen Guilbeault. Why are there no new proposals for Natural gas generators then? I don’t think this has anything to do with protecting oil and gas. Certainly might have something to do with protecting the electricity consumer in Alberta.

If you want to protect consumers you would use Saskatchewan and Manitobas regulated model where prices are lower!

Both provinces are also planning on large investments in wind and solar by the way to reduce emissions.

When the wind and solar are rocking you turn down the gas. Can't be that hard can it? LOL

Definately we need back up. I do think the utilities and the AESO in Alberta have thought of that don't you think?

But for some of petro potatoe heads, any amount of renewables is too much. And they make all kinds of feeble excuses.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is planning for lots of new renewables that are now the cheapest electrcity generated on the planet.

Do you really think we are going to stick with fossil fuels when solar energy along with ammonia, hydrogen and other storage systems including EV batteries will make fossil energy obsolete someday?

"Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use."

And that doesnt include wind and tidal sources.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/top-6-things-you-didnt-know-about-solar-energy

[chuckChuck]

Chuck2 I was listening to Premier Smith yesterday morning on QR 770 on her bi weekly call in show My Premier, My Province. The question of the moratorium came up. The basic problem is that for every megawatt of solar or wind generation you install you must have a megawatt of natural gas generation built to back up for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. The Federal government through constant regulatory changes has created a situation where there are no new proposals for natural gas fired electricity generation. Wind and solar are not capable of being on demand baseline generation. They are intermittent and when available other generation sources must be ramped up or down quickly to balance the grid. But don’t expect Don Braid to give both sides of the story!!!

The feds have offered subsidies for carbon capture and storage in Alberta for all kinds of industries.

Saskatchewan is currently building more gas plants under the same federal regulatory environment.

I think the problem in Alberta is the renewables are too successful for the climate change deniers and skeptics. Oil rich Alberta leading the country in renewables? Say it ain't so.... It was a bad look for the rural flatearthers that irritated the hell out of them. LOL

Its just more politics. First thing Dougie Ford did was cancel wind and solar contracts. Now plans for more wind and solar in Ontario are coming back along with much more expensive investments in nuclear.

[Hamloc]

If you want to protect consumers you would use Saskatchewan and Manitobas regulated model where prices are lower!

Both provinces are also planning on large investments in wind and solar by the way to reduce emissions.

When the wind and solar are rocking you turn down the gas. Can't be that hard can it? LOL

Definately we need back up. I do think the utilities and the AESO in Alberta have thought of that don't you think?

But for some of petro potatoe heads, any amount of renewables is too much. And they make all kinds of feeble excuses.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is planning for lots of new renewables that are now the cheapest electrcity generated on the planet.

Do you really think we are going to stick with fossil fuels when solar energy along with ammonia, hydrogen and other storage systems including EV batteries will make fossil energy obsolete someday?

"Solar energy is the most abundant energy resource on earth -- 173,000 terawatts of solar energy strikes the Earth continuously. That's more than 10,000 times the world's total energy use."

And that doesnt include wind and tidal sources.

https://www.energy.gov/articles/top-6-things-you-didnt-know-about-solar-energy

Obviously solar and wind are not the cheapest source of electrical generation. The higher the amount of wind and solar generation infrastructure the more expensive our electricity becomes. I have posted many times on the rising cost of our open market electricity, not subsidized, not government owned like other provinces. In Alberta we can see how it affects what a consumer has to pay for higher renewable penetration and the taxation and regulation policies of the federal liberals!!!!

[chuckChuck]

Yes they are at the point of generation. There are additional costs to integrate them into the system but they are the cheapest generation sources in most places.

[cropgrower]

how much does a large wind turbine cost ? how much does it cost per year mantain ? how many years does it take to pay for investment ? give us real numbers not some dreamers fantasy

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yes they are at the point of generation. There are additional costs to integrate them into the system but they are the cheapest generation sources in most places.

But are they the cheapest at the point of consumption, anywhere in the world? So far they end up being the most expensive to the consumer. You have been unable to find even a single example to prove me wrong.

[chuckChuck]

Majority of New Renewables Undercut Cheapest Fossil Fuel on Cost

https://www.irena.org/news/pressreleases/2021/Jun/Majority-of-New-Renewables-Undercut-Cheapest-Fossil-Fuel-on-Cost

The renewable projects added last year will reduce costs in the electricity sector by at least USD 6 billion per year in emerging countries, relative to adding the same amount of fossil fuel-fired generation. Two-thirds of these savings will come from onshore wind, followed by hydropower and solar PV. Cost savings come in addition to economic benefits and reduced carbon emissions. The 534 GW of renewable capacity added in emerging countries since 2010 at lower costs than the cheapest coal option are reducing electricity costs by around USD 32 billion every year.

[chuckChuck]

Also my solar panels lowered my cost of electricity by nearly half.

https://www.iea.org/news/renewable-power-s-growth-is-being-turbocharged-as-countries-seek-to-strengthen-energy-security

Utility-scale solar PV and onshore wind are the cheapest options for new electricity generation in a significant majority of countries worldwide. Global solar PV capacity is set to almost triple over the 2022-2027 period, surpassing coal and becoming the largest source of power capacity in the world. The report also forecasts an acceleration of installations of solar panels on residential and commercial rooftops, which help consumers reduce energy bills. Global wind capacity almost doubles in the forecast period, with offshore projects accounting for one-fifth of the growth. Together, wind and solar will account for over 90% of the renewable power capacity that is added over the next five years.

The report sees emerging signs of diversification in global PV supply chains, with new policies in the United States and India expected to boost investment in solar manufacturing by as much as USD 25 billion over the 2022-2027 period. While China remains the dominant player, its share in global manufacturing capacity could decrease from 90% today to 75% by 2027.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Can you find an example of wind and solar making electricity cheaper for the consumer?
And in the example of your own solar panels, are you including the external costs your system puts onto the grid, which all other consumers are forced to subsidize? Are you including the capital costs? And what will those Capital costs be when you have to refinance them at todays interest rates?

[jazz]

Boy chuck has been busy scouring the IPCC propaganda.

There is no source of energy more dense and easily exploited than oil and gas. Not even nuclear comes close.

Wind and solar are the most diffuse and unreliable source of power imaginable. Its just that simple. And there is no where near the battery elements available on this planet to capture it. You think the oil sands pit mining is bad for the environment, imagine 1000s of those same mines across the planet looking for copper.

Its just pure delusion and chucks mind is gone.

Danny was right to pull the plug on these things. The one in Brooks has been shut down for 2 yrs and nobody has any money to pull the panels and supports. Took up a prime piece of real estate that could have been used for homes. Now its the biggest eyesore for miles. An orphan well is barely noticeable compared to this. My parents have one, its been capped, the land reclaimed around it so renters farm right up to it, oil company uses it as a disposal and my parents still get a cheque every year.

If solar was the boon thats been promised, you would see every homeowner rushing to install them on their roof. The adoption rate after like 25 yrs of pushing this stuff is miniscule.